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04-21-2013, 12:21 PM
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I read through the RFP and it was pretty good.
Were not talking about the RFP Tommy, were talking about an earlier Report provided by Beacon upon Michael Reinsdorfs recommendation to Ed Beasley that they be retained to provide an Arena Assessment while Jerry Moyes still owned the club. The RFP on the surface looks perfectly kosher & is in fact well thought out & drafted. So far so good. However, in light of Beacons track record in California, Texas, Florida & elsewhere, and in consideration of what they produced for forty eight grand over 3 days 4 years ago, Im not comfortable with them, havent been for some time, and for the sake of complete & total transparency, that second guessing & suspicions dont rear their ugly heads it wouldve been far more prudent to have employed someone else to have crafted the RFP, and we dont know to what extent they'll be acting as Gatekeepers from that point & here on out. How much Glendale will be relying upon their advice & guidance....

I dont trust them. Bottom line.

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Not sure if McKinsey has a group that does this type of work. This is a very narrow area with few players so the supply of firms is very limited.

Supply and demand in this context doesn't work the way you seem to imply-- that fewer players, specialists, automatically mean fantastic rates. Regarding McKinsey, if you're willing to open up the wallet, I'm sure they'll be happy to become experts for you.

And yes, the Coyotes. I'm not anticipating any announcement based on just the schedule per se. The NHL will do that when it suits them. Not putting much stock into the rumors about a date.

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So do we call the next thread the Diamond Anniversary Thread? Or the Final Countdown Thread with the obligatory video of this:



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So do we call the next thread the Diamond Anniversary Thread? Or the Final Countdown Thread with the obligatory video of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iu0XctVOM4
I swear that should be the new Rickroll. I even tried it for a while, but alas, it didn't catch on.

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And yes, the Coyotes. I'm not anticipating any announcement based on just the schedule per se. The NHL will do that when it suits them. Not putting much stock into the rumors about a date.
But, I thought that is all we do here, waiting for a date, any date !

Be seeing you!

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  • Consider the Atlanta-to-Winnipeg transfer. TNSE had an AHL franchise (the Manitoba Moose) in an almost new facility (opened Nov 16, 2004). Even so, TNSE was working almost 24x7 from June through early October to upgrade their facilities from AHL level to NHL level.
  • Key Arena is nowhere near AHL level, let alone NHL level. The highest level of hockey it has hosted is WHL (Settle Thunderbirds). It was opened April 21, 1962 for the Seattle World's Fair. And its most recent renovation (1995) was basketball-specific. There is a lot more work to do to get to NHL standards.
  • La Colisee in Quebec actually was an NHL rink until 1995. They need only to match upgrades in NHL standards since then. A significant amount of work was done last summer, and the rest has been budgeted for this summer, contingent on the Coyotes moving in. They're also planning to RENT higher-capacity ice-making equipment for the spring of 2014 and 2015. Although winters get really cold, it can get up to 30 to 33 C (approx 85 to 90 F) in April/May http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc....tml?stnID=5251 Apparently, their current equipment is not able to keep the ice surface up to snuff to handle a spring heatwave.
Quebec is more ready than Seattle for an NHL team, but that's no reason to forget Seattle.

The realignment thing isn't too much of a problem for now but they had to have realized that they were sending a message by putting two extra teams in the East.

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I can't see the NHL moving the Coyotes to QC.

First, there are the optics. 2 U.S. Southern teams move to Canada in 3 years.
Second, there is expansion. When the league grows by 2, Canadians will want one of the teams. QC is perfect.
Third, Seattle allows the team to stay in the West.

IF they move, I hope I am wrong.


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The realignment thing isn't too much of a problem for now but they had to have realized that they were sending a message by putting two extra teams in the East.
The realignment thing is interesting. I think depending on what you think/hope/want for the Coyotes, you can read things the way you want them. Think of this: if the new alignment is a message that QC isn't a realistic option, isn't that the same thing as saying to a Seattle group "We'll take whatever you're offering for the Coyotes." Why would you remove a competitor? The only way to get more from a bidder than what the market is worth is through competition, right? Why would the league intentionally send that message several months before it has to?

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Quebec is more ready than Seattle for an NHL team, but that's no reason to forget Seattle.

The realignment thing isn't too much of a problem for now but they had to have realized that they were sending a message by putting two extra teams in the East.
that hockey is much more popular in the east?

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that hockey is much more popular in the east?
I meant eastern conference, not this


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The realignment thing is interesting. I think depending on what you think/hope/want for the Coyotes, you can read things the way you want them. Think of this: if the new alignment is a message that QC isn't a realistic option, isn't that the same thing as saying to a Seattle group "We'll take whatever you're offering for the Coyotes." Why would you remove a competitor? The only way to get more from a bidder than what the market is worth is through competition, right? Why would the league intentionally send that message several months before it has to?
Beats me.

I still don't get why they didn't make it 15 teams in each conference, but this the NHL makes a lot of confusing decisions.

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Beats me.

I still don't get why they didn't make it 15 teams in each conference, but this the NHL makes a lot of confusing decisions.

There is several ways for changing the realigment again. I mean if they stay in Glendale under thee NHL, it might cost them 20-30 millions...so for that kind of money I bet the NHL wouldnt mind doing so. Also Bettman always said for a city to be considered, an NHL caliber arena have to be existent or the construction have to be started...thats not the case in Seattle right now and it wont be for a while.

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So do we call the next thread the Diamond Anniversary Thread? Or the Final Countdown Thread with the obligatory video of this:
What? I was expecting carrier-based F14 fighters to be feasting on prop-driven Japanese Zeros when you said "Final Countdown"...


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The last regular season game for the Yotes is Saturday April 27th. I'm betting they choke and don't make the playoffs, so I'm thinking we can expect a relocation announcement just a few weeks after this date.

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Quebec is more ready than Seattle for an NHL team, but that's no reason to forget Seattle.
The point I was making is that no way is Key Arena going to be ready by early October 2013. They'll probably have to replace the glass (as has been done in QC) and various other safety-related stuff. Otherwise the NHLPA would be fully within their rights to refuse to play in the place. If the NHL wants Seattle, the soonest they get into Key is the 2014-2015 season. That's assuming renovations start no later than early 2014. The main problem is that the Coyotes will be bleeding cash in Glendale next season.

It makes more sense to simultaneously announce Coyotes to QC and expansion to Seattle, contingent on a new arena.

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The last regular season game for the Yotes is Saturday April 27th. I'm betting they choke and don't make the playoffs, so I'm thinking we can expect a relocation announcement just a few weeks after this date.
Not being argumentitive here Ps, but the NHL's been loathe to make announcements of that sort (with exception of Atlanta-Winnipeg of course) actually during their showcase Playoffs. You could be quite correct though, given the magnitude of this mess of a situation. Timings irrelevant. But I suspect not. Id guess they wait until the Stanley Cup's been awarded in June, then let it be known whats what. Perhaps during the lull between end of regular season and commencement of the cup run should the Coyotes fail to qualify (and if they do make it in, absolutely no announcements until the SC's been won), but during it? Not so sure about that.... this of course now leads into logistics if indeed the teams on the move. I cant see how on Earth Seattle could possibly be ready & accommodate a team, its a gamble, could backfire & blow up in their faces. Theres just so many details involved. The only logical relo option is Quebec or, they stay put. NHL collects $6M in Mgmnt Fee's, perhaps then announces they'll give it to December 31st to get a deal done or 110% for sure, teams gone.

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Not being argumentitive here Ps, but the NHL's been loathe to make announcements of that sort (with exception of Atlanta-Winnipeg of course) actually during their showcase Playoffs. You could be quite correct though, given the magnitude of this mess of a situation. Timings irrelevant. But I suspect not. Id guess they wait until the Stanley Cup's been awarded in June, then let it be known whats what. Perhaps during the lull between end of regular season and commencement of the cup run should the Coyotes fail to qualify (and if they do make it in, absolutely no announcements until the SC's been won), but during it? Not so sure about that.... this of course now leads into logistics if indeed the teams on the move. I cant see how on Earth Seattle could possibly be ready & accommodate a team, its a gamble, could backfire & blow up in their faces. Theres just so many details involved. The only logical relo option is Quebec or, they stay put. NHL collects $6M in Mgmnt Fee's, perhaps then announces they'll give it to December 31st to get a deal done or 110% for sure, teams gone.
Except others will argue that; How can anyone expect for the city to give a massive deal that favors a prospective owner if all the NHL keeps bringing up is smoke and mirrors?

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Not being argumentitive here Ps, but the NHL's been loathe to make announcements of that sort (with exception of Atlanta-Winnipeg of course) actually during their showcase Playoffs. You could be quite correct though, given the magnitude of this mess of a situation. Timings irrelevant. But I suspect not. Id guess they wait until the Stanley Cup's been awarded in June, then let it be known whats what. Perhaps during the lull between end of regular season and commencement of the cup run should the Coyotes fail to qualify (and if they do make it in, absolutely no announcements until the SC's been won), but during it? Not so sure about that.... this of course now leads into logistics if indeed the teams on the move. I cant see how on Earth Seattle could possibly be ready & accommodate a team, its a gamble, could backfire & blow up in their faces. Theres just so many details involved. The only logical relo option is Quebec or, they stay put. NHL collects $6M in Mgmnt Fee's, perhaps then announces they'll give it to December 31st to get a deal done or 110% for sure, teams gone.
Wasn't QC-Colorado announced in the playoffs? Hartford announced they were leaving during the regular season but announced their location in the playoffs.

So you're right, the NHL never has its franchise relos announced during the playoffs, except for 3 of the last 4 franchise relos. But outside of that, never.

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The last regular season game for the Yotes is Saturday April 27th. I'm betting they choke and don't make the playoffs, so I'm thinking we can expect a relocation announcement just a few weeks after this date.
Correct, their chances of making the playoffs are virtually next to none..... not going to happen

HERE > http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/W...c/Phoenix.html

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So you're right...
... meh. I'll give you 2 out of 4, Atlanta-Winnie, Quebec-Denver's Midnight Move. My point stands though. I dont believe the NHL would like to repeat with in-playoff announcements of this magnitude however, what with the severity of this situation it may be unavoidable.

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... meh. I'll give you 2 out of 4, Atlanta-Winnie, Quebec-Denver's Midnight Move. My point stands though. I dont believe the NHL would like to repeat with in-playoff announcements of this magnitude however, what with the severity of this situation it may be unavoidable.
I think the league would like to avoid the relocation announcement during the playoffs as well.

Came across this article.

http://thehockeywriters.com/coyotes-...nal-countdown/

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For the first time in a long time, the NHL has stated through insider sources that even though it is still their preference to keep the team in Phoenix it will start looking into relocation options. A NHLPA source says to expect a decision before the start of the playoffs


Now what this decision could be again anyone's guess. Maybe they'll decide to make a decision.

If they can figure it out, take a page out of Lebron's book and they can announce what they'll so with a one hour prime-time special

Yotes are now 5 pts back with 4 to play....let the drama unfold!


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I think the league would like to avoid the relocation announcement during the playoffs as well.
Yes I read that when it came out a few days ago. Seems the author, Mitch Kasprick, is from Winnipeg. Lived through the Jets exit in 96 then 5 years ago appears to have retired, spending his winters in Arizona. Re-connects with "his" franchise, only to be watching it very likely leave on him yet again. Poor guy huh? If it wasnt for bad luck, wouldnt have no luck at all.... and interesting comment; he believes Winnipeg receiving a team again was a "one in a million shot". How sad is that? That it took the cratering of ASG & now likely Phoenix for the NHL to finally clue in to the fact that Winnipeg & Quebec beyond being just not only the only ports in a storm but damn fine harbours at that, that a fan, a paying customer should feel his chances and the odds so slim. If this league had half a frikin clue they'd have poured deep foundations in their traditional markets long ago, making places like Phoenix & Atlanta far more viable & possible in being able to prop up their own. Actually making it work instead of here at least having demanded that a tiny municipality of less than 300,000 pay about 900% of the freight & carrying costs, pushing them to the very brink of disaster in the process.

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So, have any of the people who absolutely believe the chances of Quebec City getting the Coyotes via relocation are 0 come up with an alternative US venue beyond Seattle, Kansas City and Houston? Those all have issues or time delays on them.

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So, have any of the people who absolutely believe the chances of Quebec City getting the Coyotes via relocation are 0 come up with an alternative US venue beyond Seattle, Kansas City and Houston? Those all have issues or time delays on them.
ummmm *looks down list* is Hartford or Las Vegas an option? Yes there isn't anything available right now in the US.


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I think the league would like to avoid the relocation announcement during the playoffs as well.

Came across this article.

http://thehockeywriters.com/coyotes-...nal-countdown/


Now what this decision could be again anyone's guess. Maybe they'll decide to make a decision.

If they can figure it out, take a page out of Lebron's book and they can announce what they'll so with a one hour prime-time special

Yotes are now 5 pts back with 4 to play....let the drama unfold!
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