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04-21-2013, 10:28 PM
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the fact that the draft system is designed in such a way as to create a tangible, and substantial, benefit to losing meaningless games late in the season is a flaw that has been handled differently by the various sports.

In the NFL, where you can get a quality player almost anywhere in the first round, coupled with the fact that their limited schedule limits the extent of "tanking" that can occur, they just let the chips fall where they may

The MLB has the opposite situation to the NFL, but to the same effect... in MLB, there are so many games that its hard to tank your way to a higher position, and draft order rarely guarantees a better return in talent, so they just take things as they come as well.

The NBA, realizing that teams were aggressively tanking to try to get the next Bird, Johnson, or Jordan, took an aggressive stance and made the top part of the draft order entirely based on a weighted lottery, which may not have totally deterred tanking, but helped make sure tanking wasnt always rewarded.

To me the way the NHL does it is the worst of both worlds. you can assure your position with the exception of possibly moving down one spot... not much deterrent, and certainly not much potential for "punishment" ie tanking and still not getting a good pick... and not much excitement to the draft lottery...



all of the above is my way of explaining that I disagree with 101st that being ok with losing is unacceptable in the absolute. It is unpalatable, especially to a fan of a team accustomed to winning.. but with the tangible benefit of having a chance of obtaining a potential franchise altering player, it is understandable and even logical to not be upset with losing. The caveat is even if you can accept losing, you should not be upset about winning. Anyone who gets pissed if we win, even if it costs us draft position, doesnt have their head screwed on right

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04-21-2013, 10:30 PM
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I am 100% behind the NHL going to an NBA style lottery, where the whole order is done by a weighted lottery. The incentive for tanking is HUGE in the NHL.

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04-22-2013, 01:26 AM
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I am 100% behind the NHL going to an NBA style lottery, where the whole order is done by a weighted lottery. The incentive for tanking is HUGE in the NHL.
I'm in favor after this year...

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It's looking like we go 4th/5th IMO. Lindholm for me.

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04-22-2013, 08:27 AM
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It's looking like we go 4th/5th IMO. Lindholm for me.
As of right now we'd be selecting 4th ... Tampa still plays Florida, according to sports clubs stats if we go 0-3 the rest of the way we have a 76% chance of finishing 2nd

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04-22-2013, 08:33 AM
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As of right now we'd be selecting 4th ... Tampa still plays Florida, according to sports clubs stats if we go 0-3 the rest of the way we have a 76% chance of finishing 2nd
It's possible, but I don't see 0-3. I bet we win at least 1 of them.

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04-22-2013, 08:42 AM
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It's possible, but I don't see 0-3. I bet we win at least 1 of them.
FFS, I hope not, they've come all this way, why not finish the damn job

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04-22-2013, 08:58 AM
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It's possible, but I don't see 0-3. I bet we win at least 1 of them.
I agree- I think we wind up with 41 pts- question is, where will that leave us??

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I agree- I think we wind up with 41 pts- question is, where will that leave us??
For everyone's reference

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04-22-2013, 09:31 AM
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4th means the lowest we can pick will be fifth. Means we will be in Barkov, Nichushkin, Lindholm pool. That's where it headed. If we win one, we're probably still in the same three man pool. Nurse or Zadarov (big D-man) might jump in to this pool depending on other teams' needs, scouting reports. The latter seems to be climbing in some scouts eyes - though Redline doesn't like him.

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04-22-2013, 09:49 AM
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Im just wonering in McKinnon and Drouin are so far above the next few that Poile would try to trade up if we arent in the top 3.

What are the pressing needs of Florida, Carolina, and Colorado?

I am assuming Colorado needs D, and if Florida has #1 and takes Jones you wonder if the Avs would take Ellis or Blum to switch with us

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04-22-2013, 10:05 AM
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Colorado does need Defense, Florida needs most everything but goaltending is there most glaring need.
If Preds are in top 4 and Florida just in front of them and we want McKinnon we could swap and throw in J Smith or Hellberg but if it were Hellberg we would need another pice thrown in.

McKinnon has to be our top choice but for some reason I like Lindholm better but McKinnon's numbers are just so impressive I don't see how DP does not try to make a move to get him.

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04-22-2013, 10:11 AM
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I'd offer Blum/Ellis, or Smith to move up and get our guy.

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Colorado does need Defense, Florida needs most everything but goaltending is there most glaring need.
If Preds are in top 4 and Florida just in front of them and we want McKinnon we could swap and throw in J Smith or Hellberg but if it were Hellberg we would need another pice thrown in.

McKinnon has to be our top choice but for some reason I like Lindholm better but McKinnon's numbers are just so impressive I don't see how DP does not try to make a move to get him.

Why would we have to add if we traded hellberg rather than smith?! Hellberg is better with way more potential. In this case then I would gladly hand then Jeremy smith.

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04-22-2013, 10:14 AM
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I don't think Florida needs a goalie prospect with Markstrom, they just need a guy capable of being a 1a until he gets settled.

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Why would we have to add if we traded hellberg rather than smith?! Hellberg is better with way more potential. In this case then I would gladly hand then Jeremy smith.
We would not have to they would. Hellberg should be a NHL starter maybe as soon as next year. So he would be worth an additional piece.

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04-22-2013, 10:21 AM
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I don't think Florida needs a goalie prospect with Markstrom, they just need a guy capable of being a 1a until he gets settled.
Markstrom may well be but a 3.26 and .902 has not solidified his starting role. And there backup plan with Theodore and Clemmensen is pretty weak. If they have faith that Markstrom is there guy then they can do as the Preds have sign a guy on the way out to back him up but what they have now is as bad as our having Mason.

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Perhaps the panthers would be more interested in guys like Blum, Ellis??

Maybe Watson? Budish?

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If we end up 4th or 5th pick I'd trade any young player/prospect not named Colin Wilson or Filip Forsberg to move up and get Mackinnon or Drouin.

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04-22-2013, 02:05 PM
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Perhaps the panthers would be more interested in guys like Blum, Ellis??

Maybe Watson? Budish?
No. If we did this, we would draft Jones. We need a forward, not defenseman.

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I agree with the move into the top 3 mantra to get Mackinnon or Drouin if at all possible. It is time to be bold. This is a rare opportunity. Make something happen.

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No. If we did this, we would draft Jones. We need a forward, not defenseman.
I'm sure we could afford to part with Ellis or Blum if it meant getting Mack or drouin.

We still have: one if Ellis/Blum left plus ekholm, bitteto, noonan and Bartley. Plus I'm sure poile can nail awesome defensemen in any other rounds as usual. Maybe trade to get a second round pick?

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I'm sure we could afford to part with Ellis or Blum if it meant getting Mack or drouin.

We still have: one if Ellis/Blum left plus ekholm, bitteto, noonan and Bartley. Plus I'm sure poile can nail awesome defensemen in any other rounds as usual. Maybe trade to get a second round pick?
Exactly.

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No. If we did this, we would draft Jones. We need a forward, not defenseman.
We could always trade one of them to whomever has no.2 and maybe pick up a 2nd rounder

To Col(for example)

3-5 overall and Ryan Ellis

To Nash

2nd + 32nd overall

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We could always trade one of them to whomever has no.2 and maybe pick up a 2nd rounder

To Col(for example)

3-5 overall and Ryan Ellis

To Nash

2nd + 32nd overall
I can't see another team making that deal. Nashville very easily comes out on top.

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