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04-22-2013, 01:04 AM
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Ever heard of an incentive? Methot wont be traded for the sake of being traded.
Yes I have heard of it. But players can get traded to fill a need also. With fair value for both sides.
I know this is a novel concept but really..... every stiff wearing an Nhl jersey does not require n overpay.

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Yes I have heard of it. But players can get traded to fill a need also. With fair value for both sides.
I know this is a novel concept but really..... every stiff wearing an Nhl jersey does not require n overpay.
Methot was traded for to fill a need. Trading Methot now would require an overpayment because he is needed and there is no reason to trade him.

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04-22-2013, 02:41 AM
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with methot, a healthy senators defense

methot - karlsson
cowen - gonchar
phillips - gryba/wiercioch

if gonchar leaves - oh poopy, we need a replacement. if phillips leaves (retires in a few years) - wiercioch - gryba bottom pair.
needs - replacement for gonchar

without methot -
cowen - karlsson
phillips - gonchar
wiercioch - gryba

needs - a new second pairing.

see why we won't trade methot? he fills a need for us. he's also really good. what would we trade him for? an upgrade? sure, but we can't really get that from edmonton. a downgrade? well, that leaves us down a top four defenseman. a forward? we could use another top six forward, but we'd still be down a defenseman that we need. goal scoring shouldn't be that big of a problem with karlsson and spezza back. the defense and goal-tending has been very good. everyone is clicking. the only moves we're looking to make involve adding a top four defenseman and adding a top six forward, not subtracting them.

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Yes I have heard of it. But players can get traded to fill a need also. With fair value for both sides.
I know this is a novel concept but really..... every stiff wearing an Nhl jersey does not require n overpay.
How about this. Methot will not be traded unless its for a package that is equal to his value to the team. Aka most won't be willing to offer enough. Aka an overpayment.

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04-22-2013, 05:57 AM
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2013 2nd + 4th, rights to Linus Omark (swede connections) and Mark Arcobello?
does that work? based on value I think it does... You get 2 decent pieces and 2 draft picks.

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2013 2nd + 4th, rights to Linus Omark (swede connections) and Mark Arcobello?
does that work? based on value I think it does... You get 2 decent pieces and 2 draft picks.
Why would Ottawa want those pieces? Who is going to play defence if they trade Methot?

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04-22-2013, 06:26 AM
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Why would Ottawa want those pieces? Who is going to play defence if they trade Methot?

I think it is great value wise imo you get a great project winger in Omark (he should and most likely will bounce back for you guys), a nice piece in arcobello and 2 decent draft picks in this deep draft. If you want I could throw in Teubert? he can lay devastating hits and he fights... needs work on the defensive side of the game but i think he would do well in Ottawa imo.

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I think it is great value wise imo you get a great project winger in Omark (he should and most likely will bounce back for you guys), a nice piece in arcobello and 2 decent draft picks in this deep draft. If you want I could throw in Teubert? he can lay devastating hits and he fights... needs work on the defensive side of the game but i think he would do well in Ottawa imo.
Problem is we have too many wingers fighting for spots. We have our our prospect playing in Europe that has issues in Filatov.

If we were in year 1 of the rebuild then I would think about it. We are going into year 3. We are getting close to start making serious pushes. We cannot afford to lose Methot without having someone of the same caliber taking his spot.

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If we were in year 1 of the rebuild then I would think about it. We are going into year 3. We are getting close to start making serious pushes.
I think this is where you'll lose them. That's a foreign concept.

Rebuilds are supposed to be perpetual.

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I would love to look at a trade proposal that we could get through the first 3 posts without someone saying the player would require an overpayment. What a joke. Not every 2 bit player in the league requires an over payment folks.
Take a minute and think.... I would say 30% or more of the players in the league would take an overpayment to trade. If all it took was fair value there would be hundreds of trades every year instead of dozens. If player X fills a need for a team and is a good team player why would he be traded for a "fair deal", its takes a offer you can't say no too.

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He is so sound in our own zone. He gets the puck to the net, and rarely makes a bad decision.

Every team needs a Marc Methot.

Get your own Methot.
We had one, and he was pretty darn good. We opted to give him up for Nick Foligno and called up Dalton Prout, who's been every bit as awesome.
and, interestingly, was yet another 6th round pick

(Why do some of us keep defending Howson? Because we have an actual honest to G-d legit blueliner pipeline now.)


Still very glad to see him realizing his potential up there; hope he keeps it up. Now if only we can somehow get Foligno to finish more of his chances...

And yeah, I'd be shocked beyond measure if he was traded from Ottawa.

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I think it is great value wise imo you get a great project winger in Omark (he should and most likely will bounce back for you guys), a nice piece in arcobello and 2 decent draft picks in this deep draft. If you want I could throw in Teubert? he can lay devastating hits and he fights... needs work on the defensive side of the game but i think he would do well in Ottawa imo.
Ottawa is chalk full of prospects, especially wingers (Silfverberg, Stone, Prince, Peumpel, Noesen, Conacher). The two guys you listed would both end up on waivers.

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Any of the big 4.

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Cant believe we had him for foligno, although foligno is playing very well for lumbus. Oilers could have given pjaarvi for him or something.

Anywyz it would take an overpayment probably, Id be happy with Smid +
Haha Smid is the better player

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We had one, and he was pretty darn good. We opted to give him up for Nick Foligno and called up Dalton Prout, who's been every bit as awesome.
and, interestingly, was yet another 6th round pick
Glad to hear it!

I much prefer when trades end up win-win. It means the teams will be more likely to do business with each other again in the future (although in this case it's kind of moot).

People here are too obsessed with who "won" a trade, just like they're too obsessed with putting numbers next to players (e.g. #5 D, 2nd line forward...) as if calling someone a "#5 D" vs a "#4 D" means anything at all.

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Methot isn;t going anywhere unless someone overpays. He's vastly underrated, imo. Still can't believe the Sens traded Nick Foligno for him!

Future outlook

Cowen - Karlsson
Methot - Ceci
Wiercioch - Gryba

Real nice mixture.

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Haha Smid is the better player
I wouldn't call that a foregone conclusion from either side. It'd make for an interesting debate.

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How about this. Methot will not be traded unless its for a package that is equal to his value to the team. Aka most won't be willing to offer enough. Aka an overpayment.
Meh. same thing. I don't want to argue the point. just pointing out a HF trend that is starting to make it completely pointless to even talk about trades. In reality there are probably 1-3 players on each team that might realistically require an overpayment. No all of them

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Meh. same thing. I don't want to argue the point. just pointing out a HF trend that is starting to make it completely pointless to even talk about trades. In reality there are probably 1-3 players on each team that might realistically require an overpayment. No all of them
True. But ottawa is done rebuilding and is now competitive. They aren't looking to dump thier on ice talent for projects.

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2013 2nd + 4th, rights to Linus Omark (swede connections) and Mark Arcobello?
does that work? based on value I think it does... You get 2 decent pieces and 2 draft picks.
Would you do 2013 2nd + 4th rights to filatov and Shane prince for Smid?

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Would you do 2013 2nd + 4th rights to filatov and Shane prince for Smid?
No cause Smid >>>>> Methot just my opinion of course.

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No cause Smid >>>>> Methot just my opinion of course.
Well my opinon is that Methot > Smid.

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Meh. same thing. I don't want to argue the point. just pointing out a HF trend that is starting to make it completely pointless to even talk about trades. In reality there are probably 1-3 players on each team that might realistically require an overpayment. No all of them
But nobody ever asks about those other players.

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No cause Smid >>>>> Methot just my opinion of course.
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No cause Smid >>>>> Methot just my opinion of course.
Since when did Smid become Shea Weber? He looked really impressive yesterday on the Palmieri goal, BTW.

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