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View Poll Results: Who Would You Draft Of These Options?
Sean Monahan 141 52.61%
Elias Lindholm 26 9.70%
Valeri Nischushkin 34 12.69%
Darnell Nurse 45 16.79%
Rasmus Ristolainen 8 2.99%
Curtis Lazar 14 5.22%
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04-21-2013, 11:00 PM
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I think the Oilers finish 6th

MacT celebrates like he won the Cup cause he doesn't want to see the TSN folks snicker at him when he pulls up to the TSN offices to do the Lottery show
I expect TSN to announce Steve Tambellini as the guest host for the show. What would the program be without Steve's ear to ear smile?

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04-21-2013, 11:07 PM
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I expect TSN to announce Steve Tambellini as the guest host for the show. What would the program be without Steve's ear to ear smile?
Maybe we'll have Tambo's lucky tie there at the lottery after all.

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04-21-2013, 11:08 PM
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In a thread comparing the 4-7 picks, surprised at how much love Lindholm & Nichushkin getting over Barkov & Monahan.

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I think the Oilers finish 6th

MacT celebrates like he won the Cup cause he doesn't want to see the TSN folks snicker at him when he pulls up to the TSN offices to do the Lottery show
I swear I've said this about 4 times in these threads, but would TSN really do another lottery show if they need 14 GMs to fit in the frame of the camera?

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I expect TSN to announce Steve Tambellini as the guest host for the show. What would the program be without Steve's ear to ear smile?
A team like Calgary or Florida should lock him up for a few years to help their rebuild.

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Monahan did not really have a "lack of improvement" in his production. YOu have to look beyond his point totals and see the circumstances he was playing under.

In 2011-2012 he had 33 goals and 78 points in 62 games. In 2012-2013 he had 31 goals and 78 points in 58 games. On the surface this looks like he plateaued. But in 2011-2018 he played with Toffoli (65gp 52g 48a 100pts) and Shane Prince (57 gp 43g 47 a 90 pts) with Codi Ceci (64gp 17g 43a 60 pts) on the back end.

In 2012-2013 the 67's were a terrible team and MOnahan was pretty much a one man show. The other talenetd offensive players, Tyler Graovac (also a center) and Codi Ceci were both traded. The team scored 60 fewer goals than the year before and no one else had more than 40 points.
couldn't agree more. I really think if we get him we got a steal. I think he is better than Makinnon. just my two cents.

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In a thread comparing the 4-7 picks, surprised at how much love Lindholm & Nichushkin getting over Barkov & Monahan.
Yeah and according to somebody that watches Barkov all the time, he doesn't think he'll be more than a 50-70 point center and believes Lindholm is better than Barkov.

Yet a lot of HfOil is all about Barkov

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ISS or Craigslist if we look at ISS do we really want monahan who has fallen all the way to 9th? At 6th we have a shot at barkov if nurse goes first for a team that needs D

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Yeah and according to somebody that watches Barkov all the time, he doesn't think he'll be more than a 50-70 point center and believes Lindholm is better than Barkov.

Yet a lot of HfOil is all about Barkov
Barkov put up 48pts in 53 games as a 17 year old playing pro. And he's huge. That should solve the mystery of HFOil's love of him.

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Nashville wins first overall

We get 5th overall

Dumbass trade of Gagner and 5th for Seth Jones?

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6th overall would be a great draft slot for the Oilers. We'd miss out on the big three (Jones, Drouin, Mackinnon) but we'd get either one of the top forwards in Barkov, Monahan, Nichuskin, or Lindholm or Nurse if we're looking for a big defenceman to groom.

We play some tough teams down the stretch but most of them unfortunately won't have anything to play for (Anaheim, Chicago, and Vancouver are all pretty much slotted in). Given that, it'll be interesting to see where the Oilers ultimately end up finishing.

I'm really high on this draft - I like a number of the top prospects and I think we're going to come away with a good one regardless of how these last four games go. Heck, while I don't want to drop outside the top 8, I wouldn't be too bitter if we won a few games and then selected Pulock.

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Yeah and according to somebody that watches Barkov all the time, he doesn't think he'll be more than a 50-70 point center and believes Lindholm is better than Barkov.

Yet a lot of HfOil is all about Barkov
It's not all about points

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Nashville wins first overall

We get 5th overall

Dumbass trade of Gagner and 5th for Seth Jones?
I never really considered that Nashville could very well draft Jones. Weber would be the perfect guy to pair him with, especially when he's young.

I don't think it would be very dumb to make that trade, I just don't see Nashville doing it. I'd rather have Jones than Gagner and whoever we get at 5th, Jones could be a franchise dman and round out our core really well.

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Nashville needs to sell tickets and have an offensive player to work with, they would take MacKinnon almost definitely, trading down to 5 for them is too big of a drop.

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ISS or Craigslist if we look at ISS do we really want monahan who has fallen all the way to 9th? At 6th we have a shot at barkov if nurse goes first for a team that needs D
ISS also had Galchenyuk ranked 14th and Filip Forsberg ranked #2. Did Montreal choose the wrong guy?

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Yeah and according to somebody that watches Barkov all the time, he doesn't think he'll be more than a 50-70 point center and believes Lindholm is better than Barkov.

Yet a lot of HfOil is all about Barkov
We don't need Barkov/Monahan to become Thornton/Getzlaf, we just need them to become Arnott. A big, defensively responsible 2nd line center who scores 50-70 points year after year, is exactly what the doctor ordered.

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We don't need Barkov/Monahan to become Thornton/Getzlaf, we just need them to become Arnott. A big, defensively responsible 2nd line center who scores 50-70 points year after year, is exactly what the doctor ordered.
We shouldn't get too hung up on size. Lindholm looks extremely aggressive and intense when playing.

I'll take a ferocious average sized player with a similar skill set over a larger player that lacks that intensity. I don't know if Monahan/barkov have that intensity similar to Lindholm, but no one really talks about it in regards to them.

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How many Finnish forwards have lived up to the hype?

M. Koivu has and everybody after has disappointed. Don't trust their development system at all. Granlund was suppose to be best Finnish prospect in a long time. Put up lots of points as well. How has that worked out?

Our prospect Raajala had lots of hype.

In the last 5-7 years, who are the notable Finnish prospects in the NHL? (Outside of Koivu? And obviously Selanne but talking about recently drafted propsects).

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04-22-2013, 09:24 AM
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If you look at where Barkov is right now and then give him another year of development, he could go #1.

The late birthday makes his season even more impressive

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6th overall would be a great draft slot for the Oilers. We'd miss out on the big three (Jones, Drouin, Mackinnon) but we'd get either one of the top forwards in Barkov, Monahan, Nichuskin, or Lindholm or Nurse if we're looking for a big defenceman to groom.

We play some tough teams down the stretch but most of them unfortunately won't have anything to play for (Anaheim, Chicago, and Vancouver are all pretty much slotted in). Given that, it'll be interesting to see where the Oilers ultimately end up finishing.

I'm really high on this draft - I like a number of the top prospects and I think we're going to come away with a good one regardless of how these last four games go. Heck, while I don't want to drop outside the top 8, I wouldn't be too bitter if we won a few games and then selected Pulock.
6th overall in the second round is a pretty solid spot too.

There's guys like Chris Bigras(who I think is as every bit as good as Olli Maatta) that aren't even getting talked about for the 1st round.

Just shows you how deep the 15-20ish+ range is.

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If you look at where Barkov is right now and then give him another year of development, he could go #1.

The late birthday makes his season even more impressive
This comment makes no sense. Based on what? Development isn't linear. There is no way to know how Barkov would develop over the next year. You are projecting that he would keep developing and at best that is a guess.

And if people are going to cite Gladwells Outliers book here, his research was looking at mostly the Canadian Hockey system. It doesn't necessarily apply to other countries. You would have to research the rules and system in those countries to find out if his theories would apply.

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Yeah, it's a comment on an internet thread.

I know development doesn't happen in a straight line, but I think we can safely say with more experience and perhaps another year to bulk up, Barkov would have more of an impact.

Why else do we even bring up birthdays?

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This comment makes no sense. Based on what? Development isn't linear. There is no way to know how Barkov would develop over the next year. You are projecting that he would keep developing and at best that is a guess.

And if people are going to cite Gladwells Outliers book here, his research was looking at mostly the Canadian Hockey system. It doesn't necessarily apply to other countries. You would have to research the rules and system in those countries to find out if his theories would apply.
Younger draft eligible players are often thought to have more potential than older draft eligible players. It's been that way forever. This isn't your first draft on HF, I am sure you have seen people say similar things before.

I would have no problem with us ending up with Lindholm, but I would easily put him 4th on my C list, after MacKinnon, Barkov, and Monahan. JMO.

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If you look at where Barkov is right now and then give him another year of development, he could go #1.

The late birthday makes his season even more impressive
I seem to remember the Oilers highly regarding birth date to evaluate prospects. I read this 3-4 years ago so it is the same scouts.

You may be on to something

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Younger draft eligible players are often thought to have more potential than older draft eligible players. It's been that way forever. This isn't your first draft on HF, I am sure you have seen people say similar things before.

I would have no problem with us ending up with Lindholm, but I would easily put him 4th on my C list, after MacKinnon, Barkov, and Monahan. JMO.
You are right s7ark I've seen the comment lots. But the comment originally applied to the Cdn hockey system but now I see this applied to all systems. Barkov I believe has been in the FEL since he was 16. In our system this wouldn't happen.

So the late birthday may apply to how our system is setup but it doesn't necessarily apply to others. So being a late birthday in say Norway may mean nothing. It definitely doesn't mean being younger than other draft eligibles means you have more potential.

Here is an article that discusses the late birthdays:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/blog/2008...nd-making.html


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