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04-21-2013, 06:17 PM
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Heh, deboer just went out like a beeyotch!
Daddy- Uncle received some beautiful serenading as well.

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I just have to ask again because I don't get it, why is there such vitriol for DeBoer? It really just seems completely nonsensical to me.
What's hard to understand? People didn't like him while he was here, it hasn't changed.

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I think both Dineen & DeBoer are going to be under the microscope next season.

I think DeBoer dodges a bullet for now, but if he starts off next season badly, I see the impatient Lamoriello giving him an early to mid season hook.

Dineen probably has the entire season, but if the level of disorganization we have seen on ice continues through next season, Tallon won't bring him back.

Neither man has really represented himself well this season, but under the trying circumstances they both get a well deserved temporary reprieve in this brutal, results-oriented business.

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I think both Dineen & DeBoer are going to be under the microscope next season.

I think DeBoer dodges a bullet for now, but if he starts off next season badly, I see the impatient Lamoriello giving him an early to mid season hook.

Dineen probably has the entire season, but if the level of disorganization we have seen on ice continues through next season, Tallon won't bring him back.

Neither man has really represented himself well this season, but under the trying circumstances they both get a well deserved temporary reprieve in this brutal, results-oriented business.
Agree. The lack of effort from the guys down the stretch, while almost understandable on some level, is still completely unacceptable. I'm quite surprised that after Dineen's big talk with them after the loss to the Rangers, he only got one mildly successful period out of them in Newark.

Deboer on the other hand has allowed two injuries (Brodeur and Kovalchuk for a few games only) to completely wipe out a season. If that doesn't say bad coaching, i don't know what does.

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Agree. The lack of effort from the guys down the stretch, while almost understandable on some level, is still completely unacceptable. I'm quite surprised that after Dineen's big talk with them after the loss to the Rangers, he only got one mildly successful period out of them in Newark.

Deboer on the other hand has allowed two injuries (Brodeur and Kovalchuk for a few games only) to completely wipe out a season. If that doesn't say bad coaching, i don't know what does.
have you looked at that roster without kovalchuk (who missed a critical 1/4 of a short season)? he lost parise and got nothing this offseason and still came out of the gate strong until brodeur went down. clarkson is the third leading point getter with 23. but do continue and explain how he's a bad coach.

the frog is right that both will be under the gun. i don't really see either being fired during the season but both could be gone in the offseason if the results don't improve.

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Agree. The lack of effort from the guys down the stretch, while almost understandable on some level, is still completely unacceptable. I'm quite surprised that after Dineen's big talk with them after the loss to the Rangers, he only got one mildly successful period out of them in Newark.

Deboer on the other hand has allowed two injuries (Brodeur and Kovalchuk for a few games only) to completely wipe out a season. If that doesn't say bad coaching, i don't know what does.
Then Dineen is a bad coach too...

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Dineen has had many more than just 2 injuries that helped wipe out this season.

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Dineen has had many more than just 2 injuries that helped wipe out this season.
dineen has only had 1 of his dmen all season out of his top six. kuba doesn't count he's awful

jovo-miss practically the whole season
weaver-half the season
kuli-a quarter
guddy-a quarter

two top 6 forwards practically the whole season
verstegg and weiss

this team had to rush the young kids and as u can see the talent the they simply aren't ready for the day to day nhl especially in a rushed season

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dineen has only had 1 of his dmen all season out of his top six. kuba doesn't count he's awful

jovo-miss practically the whole season
weaver-half the season
kuli-a quarter
guddy-a quarter

two top 6 forwards practically the whole season
verstegg and weiss

this team had to rush the young kids and as u can see the talent the they simply aren't ready for the day to day nhl especially in a rushed season
You can't draw a line based on quantity. It's clear the loss of parise hurt the Devils and when Kovy went down things went south. The Devils are not a deep team. Kovy is a Hart quality player, losing him is devastating to a bubble team.

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I think both Dineen & DeBoer are going to be under the microscope next season.

I think DeBoer dodges a bullet for now, but if he starts off next season badly, I see the impatient Lamoriello giving him an early to mid season hook.

Dineen probably has the entire season, but if the level of disorganization we have seen on ice continues through next season, Tallon won't bring him back.

Neither man has really represented himself well this season, but under the trying circumstances they both get a well deserved temporary reprieve in this brutal, results-oriented business.
Cant argue with this assessment at all.

Overall this year PD had exponentially a much better roster with jersey then KD with panthers; any rational person would state same. However even when the HOF goalie returned, the ship couldn't be righted. What was glaring to me watching yesterdays game was PD blind loyalty to the vets continued, something that I loathed about him here. . Volch has been absolutely dreadful and yet he sticks with him over Fayne yesterday. Ended up biting him badly.

He will have a short leash next season and I don't think we will watch him fail for the 5th of 6 seasons as either he will succeed or be relieved after 10-20 games.

Next year will be a big year for KD as well as he should have his best roster and should bring the team into the playoffs for the 2nd of 3rd year. If he fails, I will be the lst to say his renewal has to be seriously scrutinized.

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You can't draw a line based on quantity. It's clear the loss of parise hurt the Devils and when Kovy went down things went south. The Devils are not a deep team. Kovy is a Hart quality player, losing him is devastating to a bubble team.
You can when it's 2/3's of your top line, your captain, your starting goaltender and dont forget Bergy who was great last year. You also have Guds coming off shoulder surgery, Kulikov out for awhile, Weaver( best penalty killer), Upshall falling apart as usual and the replacement your GM got for Garrison is a freaking pylon. So yeah I am going to cut Dineen a lot more slack than Deboer. Don't think either deserve to be fired but Dineen has had half a team of AHL call ups most of the year. How do you develop a system when it's different guys every game?

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You can when it's 2/3's of your top line, your captain, your starting goaltender and dont forget Bergy who was great last year. You also have Guds coming off shoulder surgery, Kulikov out for awhile, Weaver( best penalty killer), Upshall falling apart as usual and the replacement your GM got for Garrison is a freaking pylon. So yeah I am going to cut Dineen a lot more slack than Deboer. Don't think either deserve to be fired but Dineen has had half a team of AHL call ups most of the year. How do you develop a system when it's different guys every game?
I'm just saying, it's not like the Devils lost two random players. They lost their starting goalie and MVP caliber forward for a significant time. The downfall coincided with Kovy being out. The Devils are a thin team that needs their best players to play well or they're not going to win. They're a bubble playoff team when healthy.

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I'm just saying, it's not like the Devils lost two random players. They lost their starting goalie and MVP caliber forward for a significant time. The downfall coincided with Kovy being out. The Devils are a thin team that needs their best players to play well or they're not going to win. They're a bubble playoff team when healthy.
We should also keep in mind that last year's Devils team was a shootout monster. Give them a .500 record in the shoot out and they would have had a similar point total to us last year, so it's not like they were world beaters in the regular season.

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I'm just saying, it's not like the Devils lost two random players. They lost their starting goalie and MVP caliber forward for a significant time. The downfall coincided with Kovy being out. The Devils are a thin team that needs their best players to play well or they're not going to win. They're a bubble playoff team when healthy.
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We should also keep in mind that last year's Devils team was a shootout monster. Give them a .500 record in the shoot out and they would have had a similar point total to us last year, so it's not like they were world beaters in the regular season.
hockey people know this as well. some fans here hate him because he wasn't able to produce a winner with table scraps. hey - it's their prerogative. just wish we didn't have to see it day after day here. (would have also hoped that maybe they might've learned some humility after watching the playoffs last year but that's a bit too much to ask i guess).

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Lmao, learn humility? Why should anyone be humbled by him? Are you serious? And why does anyone here have to like him? I could care less, though, I wasn't a fan, but how should anyone have been humbled by their run last season? So he took a team with some great players and a hall of game goalie to the Finals. Good or him, doesn't mean anyone here should have gained anything when it comes to him.

And the Devils just went on a losing streak they haven't seen since Marty's rookie season, that's news, and this is a discussion forum, sub-heading "news around the NHL." It's gonna be talked about, especially with the coaching situation.


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Lmao, learn humility? Why should anyone be humbled by him? Are you serious? And why does anyone here have to like him? I could care less, though, I wasn't a fan, but how should anyone have been humbled by their run last season? So he took a team with some great players and a hall of game goalie to the Finals. Good or him, doesn't mean anyone here should have gained anything when it comes to him.

And the Devils just went on a losing streak they haven't seen since Marty's rookie season, that's news, and this is a discussion forum, sub-heading "news around the NHL." It's gonna be talked about, especially with the coaching situation.

lol.

yes, i'm talking about humility. let me remind you that a certain poster was on here every day during pete's last season goading folks like me by calling pete a "junior coach". no credible foundation for the insults, just a fan spewing hate. the following summer, one of the smartest people in the game snaps pete up to coach. hmm. really? then, deboer coaches his new team to the final in his first year. maybe at that point you say to yourself "ok, so i was wrong, the guy's not a junior coach".

that's what i'm talking about. pretty simple and straight forward. i'm not getting into any of the rest of this with you.

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Soooo...one person, sounded like you roped everyone in as a whole.

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Lmao, learn humility? Why should anyone be humbled by him? Are you serious? And why does anyone here have to like him? I could care less, though, I wasn't a fan, but how should anyone have been humbled by their run last season? So he took a team with some great players and a hall of game goalie to the Finals. Good or him, doesn't mean anyone here should have gained anything when it comes to him.

And the Devils just went on a losing streak they haven't seen since Marty's rookie season, that's news, and this is a discussion forum, sub-heading "news around the NHL." It's gonna be talked about, especially with the coaching situation.

gonna guess the voice of doom poster on my ignore list is at it again.

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gonna guess the voice of doom poster on my ignore list is at it again.

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gonna guess the voice of doom poster on my ignore list is at it again.

sigh.
Lol...yup.

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Soooo...one person, sounded like you roped everyone in as a whole.
in this case, yes. there's only one poster throwing the same tired (and quite obviously, at this point, wrong) drivel out time after time.

you can back up and look at the bigger picture, though. how about JM? mike kitchen? fans hate on coaches if they don't win. they'll find some reason to claim this guy or that guy is an idiot and then conveniently ignore the fact they move on and have success.

not saying we shouldn't debate or criticize. do we have to vilify, though? is anyone really qualified to go that far? is there a point?

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We're Panther fans, though. Not JM, DeBoer, Horton, Louie, Huberdeau, etc fans. If a player, coach, or GM doesn't work out here, or just plain moves on, who cares if some fans choose to dislike them? How long did Chelios get booed in Chicago? It's just part of being a fan.

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Lol, for one of the all time greats, a pretty pathetic quote form Brodeur on why he chose not to play at the garden vs Rangers today.

“Getting booed for two hours for no reason, I don’t know if I was really up for it. If it meant something, I didn’t mind.”

[url]http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/nhl-on-nbc-devils-brodeur-to-sit-out-against-rangers/

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Lol, for one of the all time greats, a pretty pathetic quote form Brodeur on why he chose not to play at the garden vs Rangers today.

“Getting booed for two hours for no reason, I don’t know if I was really up for it. If it meant something, I didn’t mind.”

[url]http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/nhl-on-nbc-devils-brodeur-to-sit-out-against-rangers/
Yeah, really. That's embarrassing. I can't believe he said that.

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Lol, for one of the all time greats, a pretty pathetic quote form Brodeur on why he chose not to play at the garden vs Rangers today.

“Getting booed for two hours for no reason, I don’t know if I was really up for it. If it meant something, I didn’t mind.”

[url]http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/nhl-on-nbc-devils-brodeur-to-sit-out-against-rangers/
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