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If Ovechkin continues THIS YEAR'S pace for the rest of his prime- Legacy

View Poll Results: Will the 2 off years help/hurt/neither Ovie's legacy?
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04-21-2013, 06:45 PM
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If Ovechkin continues THIS YEAR'S pace for the rest of his prime- Legacy

Is it possible that these 2 years, provided he continues this year's pace for the rest of his prime will actually IMPROVE his legacy? People love stories of people overcoming adversity. So in a way he'd overcome a prolonged 2 year slump, people writing him off and doubting him to return to his pre-slump form (at least almost).

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04-21-2013, 06:55 PM
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I don't see how being a yearly contender for the Richard could possibly make someone seem worse.

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04-21-2013, 06:56 PM
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Yes lets surely take a 30 game sample size and extrapolate it over the rest of his career.

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04-21-2013, 06:57 PM
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if he continues to play like this, i dont see how 2 okay seasons could overshadow his many great seasons.

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Neither. Players go through blips every now and then. Not really a big deal. Just glad it looks like he's back in form.

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04-21-2013, 07:03 PM
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He was never in a slump. It was just a mix of bad coaching and system changes. So neither.

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04-21-2013, 07:04 PM
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Yes lets surely take a 30 game sample size and extrapolate it over the rest of his career.
Hence the word "if" not "when". It's a hypothetical.

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What adversity? The adversity of his own mediocrity?

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04-21-2013, 08:18 PM
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Definitely won't help it, but if he has a few more years at this level they probably won't hurt it too much. Will likely just be seen as a blip in general discussions about him. Would definitely be brought up as a negative by some in a lengthy analysis comparing players like you get on the History Boards though.

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04-21-2013, 08:36 PM
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What adversity? The adversity of his own mediocrity?
That's fair. Maybe a bit hypocritical of me too considering the lengthy discussion I had about Cooke. That said, I meant more like the fact that he had to come back from being just an average good goal scorer to what in this hypothetical situation would be a dominant goal scorer. Also, everyone was doubting him and wrote him off. That said, you're probably right. It seems a bit silly in a way to give him credit for getting out of a mess that he created.


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i still expect him to be getting 35+ goals at age 35

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04-22-2013, 12:23 AM
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Well, if the hypothetical situation could be that Ovechkin would have dominated the goal scoring field in same fashion as he did before his slump, the two down years hold him back. In reality he won't be affected too much by those two seasons.

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Weird question. If he continues his current pace over the rest of his career, he'll pass Gretzky in the goal column. So no, his legacy won't have been hurt.

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Yes lets surely take a 30 game sample size and extrapolate it over the rest of his career.
This guy knows! First 30 games in Ovechkin's career when he has a 50 goal pace, how can we possibly expect that for the rest of his career

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It'll hurt it a bit, just because the down years don't add a whole lot to his legacy, but he's going down as the second best LW ever either way

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Ovechkin has never scored over 50 goals before.

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Ovechkin has never scored over 65 goals before.

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It'll hurt it a bit, just because the down years don't add a whole lot to his legacy, but he's going down as the second best LW ever either way
I don't think it will really matter. Look at Jagr. He had several off seasons in Washington, came to the NYR, won a Lester B. Pearson when he scored over 50 goals and over 120 points, followed up the following season with another top-10 point finish (coming back from a shoulder surgery) and proved to all the nay sayers that he still had what it takes to be the top guy in the NHL.

And, if you look at it today, outside of some hurt Penguins fans, most people regard Jagr as one of the best forwards to EVER play the game.

If Ovechkin bounces back, at a young age, and can put some special seasons together, than I don't see why the same wouldn't apply to him.

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Yes lets surely take a 30 game sample size and extrapolate it over the rest of his career.
Yeah, this only applies for Crosby!

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Ovechkin has never scored over 65 goals before.
65 goals have never been scored before by Ovechkin

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04-22-2013, 11:17 AM
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It was just 2 years wasted because of Mcphee who held him back by stupid coach roulette and **** up "system" that is now luckily gone.

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Remember Jagr's "bad" years in Washington? It will kind of be like that.

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04-22-2013, 11:35 AM
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If he has truly "returned to form", people won't think much of the "down years".

Why?

In one, he was still 7th in NHL scoring. In the other, he still finished fifth in goals, and basically had a Rick Nash/Jeff Carter season (skilled player scoring a bunch of goals, but not getting assists). Given Ovechkin's history as a playmaker, we can probably point to he fact that other Caps players were also "down" offensively (due to the harsh defensive system that was imposed upon the team, and perhaps even just as a personal slump).

So, no, it won't hurt.

I'm not sure how it could help, though. "Great player has two off years, then returns to being great player!" is not as compelling a story of greatness as "Great player remains great the whole time!"

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Remember Jagr's "bad" years in Washington? It will kind of be like that.
HF posters who arent Washington fans: "No...?"

HF posters who are Washington fans: *angry voice* "JAAAAAAGGGGGRRRR!!!"

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65 goals have never been scored before by Ovechkin
What? He scored 65 before.

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