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04-22-2013, 03:40 PM
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they gamed the system to get citizenship, and it looks like defense attorneys might get the death penalty off the table from the get go....

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TBH, I hope they blow the death penalty. Life is a harsher penalty than death in my opinion.

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TBH, I hope they blow the death penalty. Life is a harsher penalty than death in my opinion.
Especially in a prison surrounded by Townies that know what he's done. Should be fun for him if he doesn't get the death penalty.

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regardless of death penalty or not.....he wont live to see 21.
You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.

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they gamed the system to get citizenship, and it looks like defense attorneys might get the death penalty off the table from the get go....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...da_rights.html
Dershowitz might well be right. There is absolutely no telling what a jury will do and the federal procedural issues (aka "technicalities") are always in play.

From the minute they found him alive, I was hoping he'd go directly to enemy combatant status and be held in federal government custody without trial for an indefinite period of time--as is provided for by statute. Sadly, this has not happened.

We're a great country, but we too often overemphasize the exception and discriminate against the rule.

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You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.
If he isn't going to be executed, I'd prefer for him to get life in solitary at some supermax. It should be like the Count of Monte Cristo...his only human contact is the hand that shoves his food through the door.

Edit: Or the occasional flashbang, to spice things up.

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You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.
I just dont think so. Ability to survive that is.

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You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.
Isn't it pretty likely he's going to be in solitary at a federal supermax anyway? I can't imagine these big name prisoners (Moussaoui, Yousef, Richard Reid, etc.) get to mingle with each other nor with the general population, right?

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You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.
no way, they cant protect him every hour of everyday forever.

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You mean in prison? Muslims will protect him, he'll be a superstar. Extra dessert and everything.
What do you know about prison?

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Dershowitz might well be right. There is absolutely no telling what a jury will do and the federal procedural issues (aka "technicalities") are always in play.

From the minute they found him alive, I was hoping he'd go directly to enemy combatant status and be held in federal government custody without trial for an indefinite period of time--as is provided for by statute. Sadly, this has not happened.

We're a great country, but we too often overemphasize the exception and discriminate against the rule.
If a suspect is held as an enemy combatant, do the typical rights granted go out the window? Like, could they have holed him up in some windowless room with an interrogator free to treat him as he pleases (I'm imagining the interrogation scenes from Zero Dark Thirty here, for example).

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TBH, I hope they blow the death penalty. Life is a harsher penalty than death in my opinion.
People acclimate to their environment. It would be one thing if he was dodging tushy sex in the shower for the rest of his life. But he'll have protection by fellow muslims from that. He'll be a real superstar among that group.

Why I wanted them to pop his grape in that boat as soon as they had LOS. Save everyone the trouble. Like 8-year-old Martin Richards father and others having to testify.

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People acclimate to their environment. It would be one thing if he was dodging tushy sex in the shower for the rest of his life. But he'll have protection by fellow muslims from that. He'll be a real superstar among that group.

Why I wanted them to pop his grape in that boat as soon as they had LOS. Save everyone the trouble. Like 8-year-old Martin Richards father and others having to testify.
I'm not talking about prison "sex." I just think that the worst kind of existence, one worse than being dead, is living in a cell alone for the rest of your life with nothing to dream for or aspire to. It is literally rotting alive.

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People acclimate to their environment. It would be one thing if he was dodging tushy sex in the shower for the rest of his life. But he'll have protection by fellow muslims from that. He'll be a real superstar among that group.

Why I wanted them to pop his grape in that boat as soon as they had LOS. Save everyone the trouble. Like 8-year-old Martin Richards father and others having to testify.
Lives could very well be saved with this guy being forced to tell what he knows.

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Do people actually think when he is sent to prison he is going to just be a regular guy in regular prison in a cell?

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If a suspect is held as an enemy combatant, do the typical rights granted go out the window? Like, could they have holed him up in some windowless room with an interrogator free to treat him as he pleases (I'm imagining the interrogation scenes from Zero Dark Thirty here, for example).
Not anymore. Army field manual.

The difference now is he could have been questioned indefinitely, and would have had a military tribunal.

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Lives could very well be saved with this guy being forced to tell what he knows.
Didn't we just go through this?

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I'm not talking about prison "sex." I just think that the worst kind of existence, one worse than being dead, is living in a cell alone for the rest of your life with nothing to dream for or aspire to. It is literally rotting alive.
BINGO! Death is too easy for POS's like this.

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If a suspect is held as an enemy combatant, do the typical rights granted go out the window? Like, could they have holed him up in some windowless room with an interrogator free to treat him as he pleases (I'm imagining the interrogation scenes from Zero Dark Thirty here, for example).
No one can really say for certain what happens when in custody but it's probably a far cry from the three hots and a cot he'd get in a typical federal facility. Enemy combatants are basically handed over to a military component, for "eventual" prosecution in a military proceeding--though no limits on how long the detention could last. Some consider detention to be acceptable for as long as the "war or conflict" lasts, so you could argue that he could be detained for as long as the War on Terrorism lasts...

No one can say for sure if holding centers still exist on US soil, but typically such treasonous dogs, whether or not U.S. citizens, can be held at Gitmo.

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If he does not get the death penalty I do not believe he will be protected in prison by anyone.

There is a common code in prison that if you commit any crime against a child you are not to be respected in any way, as a matter of fact you are to be disrespected as much as possible.

Now, with that being said.....

Chances are if he is not executed he will spend the rest of his life in a Federal prison alone in a cell for 23 hours a day.

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Total speculation here, but does anybody know why these two idiots drove to Watertown in the first place?

Only reason this piques my interest is because I was reading the Wikipedia page about the attempted bombing of Times Square in 2010 and noticed the following:

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On May 13, investigators searched several locations in the northeastern U.S. They detained three Pakistani men. Two, cousins who were living at a house in Watertown, Massachusetts, were Brookline, Massachusetts, gas station attendant Aftab Ali Khan (27 years old at the time, who was set to fly from the U.S. to Pakistan the day he was arrested, and whose visa had expired six months prior) and Boston-area cabdriver Pir Kahn (43 at the time). The two denied knowing Shahzad, but a search of their home found an envelope with Shahzad’s surname and phone number among Aftab Ali Khan's belongings. Shahzad's name and number were also found in a cell phone believed to belong to Aftab Ali Khan. The third man detained was Mohammad Shafiq Rahman, a 33-year-old computer programmer living in South Portland, Maine. He had known Shahzad in the past, lived in Connecticut a few years prior, and went to Maine in approximately 2008.[54][55][56][57] They were detained on immigration, not criminal, charges.[58] The FBI also conducted searches at a gas station in the nearby town of Brookline, in Camden and Cherry Hill, New Jersey, and in Centereach and Shirley, New York, on Long Island.[59][59][60] U.S. Attorney General Holder said there was evidence the men had provided money to Shahzad through an informal money transfer network (known as a hawala), but it was not yet clear if they were aware of the bombing plot.[61][62][63]
I'm sure it's a random coincidence, but still interesting to note.

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How many books has this guy written from prison?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumia_Abu-Jamal

Like I said, people acclimate to their environments.

Not enough beds to keep child molesters and rapists in prison.

Rather he have to anticipate getting the needle w/ a wad of cotton shoved up his ass.

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I'm not talking about prison "sex." I just think that the worst kind of existence, one worse than being dead, is living in a cell alone for the rest of your life with nothing to dream for or aspire to. It is literally rotting alive.
1. This feels like the kind of thing one could never know, and thus it often acts as a convenient assumption for anti-death penalty folks (not at all suggesting this is your bent).

2. I'm with you on the idea that I want his existence to be the worst one possible, filled with pain, regret and mental and physical anguish the likes of which you wouldn't want to imagine. I just don't want my taxes going towards it if you can't guarantee it. Guarantee it and I'm sold.

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1. This feels like the kind of thing one could never know, and thus it often acts as a convenient assumption for anti-death penalty folks (not at all suggesting this is your bent).
Isn't the idea of what happens after death one really big assumption?

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Lives could very well be saved with this guy being forced to tell what he knows.
To be honest, I doubt he says a thing. Guy's gonna get life or death and is a terrorist. What's his reason to give in?

Don't want to sound depressing but doubt he's got much reason to do as asked.

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If he does not get the death penalty I do not believe he will be protected in prison by anyone.

There is a common code in prison that if you commit any crime against a child you are not to be respected in any way, as a matter of fact you are to be disrespected as much as possible.

Now, with that being said.....

Chances are if he is not executed he will spend the rest of his life in a Federal prison alone in a cell for 23 hours a day.
Exactly. Why do people think pedos and rapists are in PC? Criminals do have a code. Even if this little **** is in PC he can get murdered if someone REALLY wants him.

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