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04-21-2013, 10:55 PM
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Agreed. While the goal was disheartening and a save 99 times out of a hundred (exaggeration), what different would you have Allen do technically?
Challenge that shot. There's no backdoor play available, so he can cut that angle down if he comes out...even half a stride to get that left pad outside the near post and there's nothing to shoot at.

Again, if you make that save selection, which I hate, you've gotta close that gap.

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04-21-2013, 11:37 PM
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Challenge that shot. There's no backdoor play available, so he can cut that angle down if he comes out...even half a stride to get that left pad outside the near post and there's nothing to shoot at.

Again, if you make that save selection, which I hate, you've gotta close that gap.
No he could have mishandled that puck and it looked like he was just going to take it to the end boards. Allen did what any NHL goalie would have done, and that gap isn't really closeable when you hug the post like that. The width of the pads is so large that you will leave that little hole there.

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04-21-2013, 11:51 PM
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I'm not too surprised the Blues lost this one. They looked like a tired team the last few games. I expect them to win convincingly Tuesday.

Nice to see Jaskin out there. I thought he had a pretty good game. He looked like a guy that could contribute right now in the bottom 6. But the 4th line if overflowing with those guys right now.

It was disappointing to see the Blues play down to the level of competition to some degree. Kudos to Colorado for not mailing it in, though.

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You forgot Stewart and Tarasenko with that list.

That's 5 of the top 9 that look off.

Sobotka did very little tonight other that get cheapshotted, but this was like the first game of the season that he didn't impress.
And you just summed up why I didn't include Sobotka and Stewart in that list. Yes they were bad tonight, but neither have been that awful lately.

Tarasenko has, but he's a rookie and just needs a rest.

Perron, Berglund, McDonald have absolutely sucked for a while now. Beyond terrible game by Perron.

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04-22-2013, 12:43 AM
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This is about the same way we have played in every loss this season. A lot of chasing in the defensive zone. Not a lot of puck support by the forwards, bad communication. When we actually did get going on the cycle, we cant seem to get it towards the net effectively. If this team shows up in the playoffs, it will be a short run.

I think we really need Oshie back. He seemed to be the only forward who can gain the zone consistently on the powerplay.

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04-22-2013, 07:39 AM
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A blown opportunity to get to 4th in the conference, allowing 5 goals, 0-1-1 vs one of the worst teams in the NHL is embarrassing.

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This is about the same way we have played in every loss this season. A lot of chasing in the defensive zone. Not a lot of puck support by the forwards, bad communication. When we actually did get going on the cycle, we cant seem to get it towards the net effectively. If this team shows up in the playoffs, it will be a short run.

This.

Yesterday's game was a terrible flashback to how the Blues performed in February. I could care less who the Blues play in the Playoffs it's one and done in 2013.

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04-22-2013, 08:07 AM
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I liked the VERY little bit i saw of jaskin... you can tell he's got hockey sense every time the pucks on his stick. always trying to make a play and create offense... Really hope he plays next game as well as cracknell. I know it would never happen but i really do hope we sit mcdonald. We need guys who can actually win battles and play solid defense, which helps lead to scoring chances and odd man breaks... hence the chicago game when Cracknell had two goals. Since our PP is crap anyway, would anyone be opposed to seeing schwartz, jaskin, tarasenko, j-bo and Petro getting a shot? schwartz on left, petro at left point, j-bo right point, tarasenko RW and jaskin in the middle... tho maybe schwartz takes the faceoffs tho... u could also switch jaskin with stewart if need be. I just figure maybe switching up the PP could and some practice time with it could revamp it once again and give us the top 5 PP like we had for over half the season

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04-22-2013, 09:18 AM
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This.

Yesterday's game was a terrible flashback to how the Blues performed in February. I could care less who the Blues play in the Playoffs it's one and done in 2013.
Glad to see you're staying so positive.

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04-22-2013, 09:20 AM
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One of the worst goals against I've had the misfortune of seeing at the NHL level
He made a percentage play there. The overwhelming majority of the time the puck harmlessly hits him and doesn't go in. The whole for that puck was literally the size of the puck. Could he have played it a little better? Yeah, but that was far from the worst goals I've seen given up.

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04-22-2013, 10:22 AM
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Glad to see you're staying so positive.
Some people just like to be unhappy I think.

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04-22-2013, 11:09 AM
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A Detroit loss in regulation tonight (home vs. Phoenix) clinches the Blues a playoff spot. That would make Detroit's max 54pts, 21ROW which the Blues already have and they hold the head to head tiebreaker over the Wings.

The reason it clinches is that Columbus (magic number = 1) and Dallas (magic number = 1) play each other on Thursday and they cannot both win.

On to the game. Elliott was obviously pulled as a message to the team. The team was horrible defensively. None of Elliott's goals were soft, for that you have to look at the absurd ECHL-caliber goal Allen let up. My god that was a pathetic goal.

Leopold needs to sit. The defenive situation next year should be straightforward. Leopold walks, Russell's the #6 and Cole's the #7. Leopold has sucked for a few games now. At first he was reliable and steady. Last night I was strongly reminded of what Buffalo fans tried to tell us.

Perron, holy **** bro, what the hell were you doing on that third goal.

Stewart, Berglund, McDonald ... the reason the Blues may not go anywhere in the playoffs is one of you guys is too old and the other two are players who lose money every single game. I am back in the 3s for Stewart, and I'm not sure I'd give Berglund a dollar more than 3M at this point.

This is a game that is either a problem because it snowballs for a few games or it reminds the team how they have to play and they come right back against the same squad tomorrow with a dominating performance. Either way ... thank god someone can now relieve my GDT burden. Those take a lot of work.

Blues had the edge in play as far as offensive pressure, but they made many more mistakes and deserved to lose.

With LA winning and holding a magic number of 3 to finish ahead of the Blues, there's almost no way LA falls out of the 4-5 pairing. Since Minnesota lost, the Blues' magic number to clinch at least a 6-seed is now 4. Basically the Blues are going to finish 5 or 6. Finish 5 and they open in LA, get the total failure amount of two home playoff dates, and we can start talking about the draft and our 49th overall pick in early May. Finish 6 and I like the Blues' chances over Vancouver. Obviously a quality, dangerous team but the Blues match up well against the Canucks.

So we have to root for the Sharks in their final three games, and not get too upset if the Blues drop another game or two.

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04-22-2013, 01:07 PM
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I agree on Leopold. Not to overreact because he hasn't been horrible - he started off good and now looks rather unimpressive - but it clearly makes the most sense to let him walk. Our defense next year looks good. Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo has been a good first pairing for us, and they can log tons of minutes. Then you can go back to Jackman-Shattenkirk and Russell-Polak who both have had great success playing with each other, with Cole as your 7th. It just makes sense to let Leopold walk so we can spend that money elsewhere.

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I agree on Leopold. Not to overreact because he hasn't been horrible - he started off good and now looks rather unimpressive - but it clearly makes the most sense to let him walk. Our defense next year looks good. Bouwmeester-Pietrangelo has been a good first pairing for us, and they can log tons of minutes. Then you can go back to Jackman-Shattenkirk and Russell-Polak who both have had great success playing with each other, with Cole as your 7th. It just makes sense to let Leopold walk so we can spend that money elsewhere.
I agree. IMO, Shattenkirk has played his best hockey when he's paired with Jackman. Coincidentally (for good reason), Jackman's best hockey in recent memory was when he was paired with Shattenkirk. I prefer Russell over Leopold, but maybe that's just me. Leopold doesn't really bring anything over Russell, except size.

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I agree with Leopold walking. As I said earlier, he's been quietly bad for about a week and a half now. I don't even know why we want him playing for us now, frankly. I would prefer Russell's speed over Leopold's size, especially since Shattenkirk has not looked even remotely dangerous since we took Jackman away from him. Yes, he did score last night, and I think he had another seeing-eye wrister go through against Colombus, but it's a far cry from the guy who was leading the NHL in scoring amongst D-men at the beginning of the year.

Berglund is just a mystery to me. I hate the word Enigma, but that's what he is. Enigma. So much talent, so much size, so little production. You see what he can be in glimpses and flashes, even for 3-5 game stretches at times. Then he goes 15 games without even looking like he suited up. Just boggling.

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Schwartz is just going to be so good. Full off-season training with a training camp is going to do wonders, won't be surprised to see him get 1st/2nd line minutes all next year.
I can't believe he hasn't gotten a sniff on the PP. He's built for that.

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04-22-2013, 02:59 PM
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I'm curious about Hitchcock's decision making. In the paper Sunday morning he's talking all about how tired the team is and how he's just asking for trouble if he doesn't make some changes. He then completely doesn't do what he said he was going to do and sure enough what he predicted happened.

Separately, Patrik Berglund better not be one of the top two centers next year. 3d center because he's been pushed down or off the team entirely. And he better not get more than 3M if he stays. He hasn't earned it.

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I'm curious about Hitchcock's decision making. In the paper Sunday morning he's talking all about how tired the team is and how he's just asking for trouble if he doesn't make some changes. He then completely doesn't do what he said he was going to do and sure enough what he predicted happened.

Separately, Patrik Berglund better not be one of the top two centers next year. 3d center because he's been pushed down or off the team entirely. And he better not get more than 3M if he stays. He hasn't earned it.
To be honest, I would rather have Sobotka at 3rd line C over Bergy. He better not get anything more than 2.5 million.

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I can't believe he hasn't gotten a sniff on the PP. He's built for that.
Schwartz and Tarasenko should be on the PP everytime over McDonald and Berglund. McDonald used to be a PP specialist, now he's just special. And I'm not talking about the good kind of special either.

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Schwartz and Tarasenko should be on the PP everytime over McDonald and Berglund. McDonald used to be a PP specialist, now he's just special. And I'm not talking about the good kind of special either.
Are you guys of the opinion that Andy Mac is a goner this off season?

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Are you guys of the opinion that Andy Mac is a goner this off season?
I think that's what most people expect. Then again, most people didn't think we'd resign Chris Porter last offseason, and we did. Andy Mac is taking up valuable time that could be given to any number of guys(most notably Schwartz).

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Can't compare assumptions about a 4.2M longtime vet whose play is plummeting and a league minimum guy who played well.

It would be shocking if McDonald were back. Even our beat writer has said he's operating on the assumption McDonald won't return. There would have to be a need for him AND he'd have to take a significant pay cut, and the only way there's a need for him is if there's a big trade involving multiple wingers for a center. Even then I don't think he's back.

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Can't compare assumptions about a 4.2M longtime vet whose play is plummeting and a league minimum guy who played well.

It would be shocking if McDonald were back. Even our beat writer has said he's operating on the assumption McDonald won't return. There would have to be a need for him AND he'd have to take a significant pay cut, and the only way there's a need for him is if there's a big trade involving multiple wingers for a center. Even then I don't think he's back.
Agreed. I would be extremely shocked if Armstrong resigns McDonald, especially after the numerous abysmal performances he's had this year. Let him and Leopold walk, make a bid for Weiss or Ribiero in July, and trade one of our plentiful ghosts for, hopefully, a 1st at this years draft and draft a center.

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Schwartz and Tarasenko should be on the PP everytime over McDonald and Berglund. McDonald used to be a PP specialist, now he's just special. And I'm not talking about the good kind of special either.
This X1000000000. McDonald can't make a decent pass to save his life, and Berglund's hands must have seen Medusa cause their stone cold.

I might be alone on this, but I'd consider taking Backes off the powerplay for a bit. He seems to have struggled there at various times throughout the year, I've noticed that he tries to force plays that just aren't there. I feel like Backes thinks he needs to create something at all times since he's our default #1C, and the pressure is starting to mess with his on ice play. Play him on the PK and against the top competition at 5-on-5 and let our more skilled guys take his spot on the PP. Also, take Leopold off the PP. I'd rather have Jackman back there than him.

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Are you guys of the opinion that Andy Mac is a goner this off season?
Oh yes. I'd be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY surprised if he's brought back. I honestly would put the chances of him coming back at 1%.

It just can't happen (I hope).

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