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04-23-2013, 07:36 PM
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You're just an excuse machine for the Chicago Blackhawks organization.
Yes, I'm making an excuse for why the Hawks wouldn't have wanted Ian "no you take him" White during the 2010-11 season.

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After a decent start, it became quite obvious to several of us that JO was not the type of dman this team needed at the time, and to this day we still don't have that dman. One who can play the physical game for more than 15 minutes+ a game. The frustrating part is that Oduya seems capable enough, but a chicken**** (to call a spade, a spade). I blame Stan for failing to recognize that need and then compounding it by giving him a generous contract. Stan then tried to patch that mistake with bargain players, Rozy and Brookbank, but is that patch enough? Doesn't appear so. I'd rather that Monty get the nod ahead of Brookbank in the post season and I won't be surprised if Q feels the same and that happens. If he can play like he is capable, that could take some minutes away from Oduya if he proves to be true to form. And I see nothing to think otherwise.
This is my biggest issue with Oduya detractors. Yes, he gets flustered when pressured and makes poor decisions with the puck. I attribute that to a lack of puck poise/hockey sense instead of being a coward. Nobody jumps in front of shots like he does if they're a coward.

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The Chicago Blackhawks were in pursuit of defenseman Nicklas Grossman from the Dallas Stars near the 2011-12 NHL trade deadline. He who hesitates is lost.

Case in point, the Chicago Blackhawks waited too long to trade for a defenseman towards the 2010-11 NHL trade deadline. The Chicago Blackhawks ended up with Chris Campoli when earlier they could have acquired Ian White.
Would you have moved ROY candidate Saad for Grossman?

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I don't see any of Chicago's Dmen names in the Hart Trophy conversation, but the real question is, did you have a point? I somehow doubt it.
Oduya is not the primary reason for the Chicago Blackhawks regular season success this year.

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04-23-2013, 07:38 PM
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Oduya is not the primary reason for the Chicago Blackhawks regular season success this year.
Never said he was, but he's clearly made a difference and it was apparent from the moment he got here.

But, "he's not what this team needs". Okay.

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Oduya is not the primary reason for the Chicago Blackhawks regular season success this year.
...What? Has anyone, ever, in the history of ever - claimed he was?

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Oduya is not the primary reason for the Chicago Blackhawks regular season success this year.
He never once said he was.

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Would you have moved ROY candidate Saad for Grossman?
At the end of the day, the payment for Nicklas Grossman was a second and third round draft pick in the 2013 NHL Draft, which incidentally was the same for Johnny Oduya.

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This is my biggest issue with Oduya detractors. Yes, he gets flustered when pressured and makes poor decisions with the puck. I attribute that to a lack of puck poise/hockey sense instead of being a coward. Nobody jumps in front of shots like he does if they're a coward.
It has absolutely nothing to do with being a chicken bleep. That's absurd.

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At the end of the day, the payment for Nicklas Grossman was a second and third round draft pick in the 2013 NHL Draft, which incidentally was the same for Johnny Oduya.
And Grossman wasn't available for that price to us. And even if he was, he's hardly a vast improvement on what Oduya brings.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with being a chicken bleep. That's absurd.
I honestly believe that if his name was John O'Donnell he'd be much less maligned.

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At the end of the day, the payment for Nicklas Grossman was a second and third round draft pick in the 2013 NHL Draft, which incidentally was the same for Johnny Oduya.
At the end of the day, there were only ever rumors that Chicago wanted Grossman. Clearly, if they wanted him and it only took a 2nd and 3rd from them to get him, they would have gotten him intead of Grossman. So, either they wanted Oduya more - or the price for Grossman was too high and not what he ended up going for.

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I honestly believe that if his name was John O'Donnell he'd be much less maligned.
Oh, do ya?


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...What? Has anyone, ever, in the history of ever - claimed he was?
You didn't see all of the Oduya for Hart threads?

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Oduya is not the primary reason for the Chicago Blackhawks regular season success this year.
Yes he is. He's the only reason.

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While Chris Campoli is no longer in the NHL.
This is a dumb standard. John Scott is still in the NHL. Would anyone in their right mind have Scott skating over campoli.

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This is a dumb standard. John Scott is still in the NHL. Would anyone in their right mind have Scott skating over campoli.
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Yes he is. He's the only reason.
Agreed. If it wasn't for Oduya we'd be lucky to have 10 wins.

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I don't understand the hate for Oduya. He has been fine. Yeah you worry about him in the playoffs as he has looked a bit worn down lately and opposing forwards seem to be really targeting him but even through all of that he has managed to play pretty efficiently. So much uproar over a 2nd/3rd-pair d-man.

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I don't understand the hate for Oduya. He has been fine. Yeah you worry about him in the playoffs as he has looked a bit worn down lately and opposing forwards seem to be really targeting him but even through all of that he has managed to play pretty efficiently. So much uproar over a 2nd/3rd-pair d-man.
He had a real bad stretch of games and definitely isn't playing at the level he was to start the season. The mindnumbing TOs are irritating at times, but there are very few teams that have a player as capable as Oduya playing as the #4-6 defenseman on their team. Last night Oduya wasn't THAT bad. Brookbank and Seabrook were easily worse.

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You're just an excuse machine for the Chicago Blackhawks organization.
or he understands how it works and what he sees?

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You're just an excuse machine for the Chicago Blackhawks organization.
This response is the Godwin's Law of all Hawk message boards.


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Would you have moved ROY candidate Saad for Grossman?
No but as I said during the off-season I would have spent the money used to sign Oduya and would have signed Bryan Allen instead who is more of what the Hawks need. A bigger, solid, physical stay at home D-man.

Oduya was playing very well early on I even praised him for it despite being one of his biggest doubters last year. However since March his play has gone down hill and his lack of being able to handle pressure from forechecks and handle bigger fowards is worrisome especially come playoff time when that type of play is used much more often and allowed more often.

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He is number 4 or 5 left handed shooting dman. Who would some Hawks fans prefer in place of Oduya to skate with Seabrook, Brookbank, or Hjalmarsson? Stone hands don't cut it in Chicago's system.

He plays 20 minutes a game and he's certainly not a top pair dmen. I'm not sure where the bar is or where the perspective is he relates to the rest of the league. If he didn't make as many mistakes he would cost 4.5 million-5 on a 6 year deal in another city.

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