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04-24-2013, 11:22 AM
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Bouillon should be sat down, but Weber will get the axe because he isn't Therrien's boy.

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Fearless prediction:

This is the start of Tinordi's Conn Smythe throphy campaign and the beginning of his reign as the new Chris Pronger.

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Bouillon should be sat down, but Weber will get the axe because he isn't Therrien's boy.
Bouillon is way better than Weber

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04-24-2013, 11:40 AM
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With Diaz in the line up, Weber is not needed. We need the size of Tinordi and the grit of Bouillon way more.


I would also give a rest to Markov.
Weber-Diaz on PP is can actually do something.

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04-24-2013, 11:44 AM
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Weber-Diaz on PP is can actually do something.
Really? With Markov, Subban and Diaz, we have enough PP specialists.

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04-24-2013, 11:45 AM
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Bouillon is way better than Weber
Disagree completely...

I think the Habs defense is alot more balanced with the following pairs

Markov-Diaz
Tinordi-Subban
Gorges-Weber

It allows the Habs to have 3 lefties and 3 righties...also lets them have 2 capable PP defensman

Quite honestly, Bouillon shouldn't be anything more than a #7dman...

Yannick Weber has never gotten an extended look, especially this year and I think it's unfortunate because there's alot more to work with there than with Bouillon. I don't see anything that Bouillon is better at then Weber really, other than fighting.

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04-24-2013, 11:49 AM
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Really? With Markov, Subban and Diaz, we have enough PP specialists.
PP has two waves. Either Gorges or #55 would kill the second wave single-handedly.

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Woooo ! This team just need one more tall big gritty d-man. It could be a vet obtained thru a trade or ufa, or it could be Tinordi.

Defence is a team concept. If the forwards don't do their job, no d-corp will succeed anyway. A couple of bigger forwards would also help a lot.
I'd consider keeping them around if they were to be the 5th and 6th d-men on the depth chart but I don't see them being used like this under this coaching staff. They aren't that good defensively as to be a mainstay on a first or second pairing, and Markov can't carry his partner like he used to. As for Markov, we can either trade him for value now or have him mentor one of Beaulieu or Tinordi on the second D pairing, I wouldn't be opposed to that either, he can recycle himself into a PP specialist like Gonchar did.

As for Tinordi, I agree with you, it is definitely him, and add Beaulieu to that equation as well. I can't wait for those two to ''arrive'' and become permanent fixtures.

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Good. Liked him the 1st time around, will bring much needed size.

Probably means the end for Weber. I feel bad for the guy. He's just victim of us having too much of the same. Hopefully he can get traded this summer to get a fresh start somewhere else. He could thrive in an environment where they're not so physically deprived.

I'm hoping to see

Markov - Subban
Tinordi - Diaz
Bouillon - Gorges

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04-24-2013, 12:14 PM
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I liked him, but he could secure himself a place on this team if he continue his solid play while stepping up his physical play.

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Really? With Markov, Subban and Diaz, we have enough PP specialists.
That's why Bouillon has been used there all year.

Now if Therrien wanted to double shift PK or Markov on the PP, that'd be fan-****ing-tastic.

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04-24-2013, 12:17 PM
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Weber definitely deserves a chance to play somewhere. The games he has played lately(4) he's been solid in each and looked good on the PP. The only negative in his case is not his fault it's that we have too many guys that play his style.

Trading him for a pick or prospect in the off season is logical. Given how he's played recently and past success last year at times, I'd be shocked if we can't get at least a 3rd for him(or comparable value).
Sometimes I wonder if we are all looking at the same games, Weber has been awful in pretty much all situations exept the PP and still... Yesterday he was way off position and was responsible for the Elias goal.

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Well, this is what I was actually hoping for. Our defence in shambles. Tinordi will help us.

The same things that were plaguing us the last few games were plaguing us yesterday, except for the fact that Carey Price was quite solid for us yesterday. Our forwards were still unable to apply pressure, and our defence looked as soff as ever and immobile (particularly Markov).

IMO, one of the secrets to our success earlier this season was our transition game - our defencemen were adept at quickly and effectively move the puck to our forwards to start on offense and counterattack. We saw all six of our d-men making skill plays to transition the game from defence to offense. In the last 6 games, all of our defencemen have been folding under forechecking pressure, and our transition game is shutting down because of it. We saw hints of this through the earlier part of the season, mind you.

If I were Therrien, I'd consider pulling Markov to "rest" him till the playoffs and give Tinordi a chance to play. I'd also throw Drewiske in there. Rest the vets. We need size and resiliency on defence bad, real bad. Our "skilled" players can't act as skilled players if they're getting run over so hard in their own zone. I'd rather have bigger, more resilient, less-skilled players making safe, smart plays, than a bunch of soft, run down, skilled players making poor decisions regularly.

I'd put Tinordi in there against Winnipeg, along with Drewiske, and I'd rest Markov and Bouillon.

Subban-Gorges (24 min)
Tinordi-Diaz (20 min)
Drewiske-Weber (16 min)

Can't be as bad as what we've seen from our defence in recent games. I'm aware that maybe this is a little much responsibility for Tinordi, but we aren't in a position to be doing "what we prefer to do".

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04-24-2013, 12:24 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if we are all looking at the same games, Weber has been awful in pretty much all situations exept the PP and still... Yesterday he was way off position and was responsible for the Elias goal.
he is rusty in his defence...but he is also massively redundant. A RH PMD PP specialist...we have Subban and Diaz, add in Markov, Beaulieu (moved up depth chart past Weber), and there you have plenty of PP capable dmen.

We need more of a physical presence, Drewiske doesn't meet that need, Emelin isn't enough, Tinordi is still working into it. Bouillion can offer a limited amount, the rest of our prospects are not near ready.

A UFA signing, a trade? this summer this should be the main target for improvement.


Until then, Tinordi is our best bet with Pateryn being a secondary hopeful.

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He speaks french.

Edit: in this order, my comment makes no sense.

I was referring to Bouillon speaking french over Weber.

The only language I care that Tinordi speaks is "Pronger Physics".

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04-24-2013, 12:43 PM
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When is Tinordi going to start playing big? If he does, great. If not, gtfo.

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He speaks french.

Edit: in this order, my comment makes no sense.

I was referring to Bouillon speaking french over Weber.

The only language I care that Tinordi speaks is "Pronger Physics".
Weber speak french too...

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Here he comes...


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When is Tinordi going to start playing big? If he does, great. If not, gtfo.
Don't get comments like these at all. We're leaking goals right now. Can we worry about keeping the pucks out of the net and maybe killing some penalties before we start worrying about when Tinordi's going to beat somebody up?

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Don't get comments like these at all. We're leaking goals right now. Can we worry about keeping the pucks out of the net and maybe killing some penalties before we start worrying about when Tinordi's going to beat somebody up?
..and I don't get comments like yours. I never said anything about 'beating anyone up' , I said 'playing big'. Can you not understand the difference? If Tinordi isn't going to clear the front of the net, or get the puck out of the defensive corner, then whats the point of all that size? He hasn't played 'big' yet. He hasn't been that physical or gritty, which is what I would expect out of his size and pedigree.

So before you lump me into the group that is begging for a fighter, get a better grasp of my post by reading what I wrote.

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Here he comes...

If that doesn't elicit fear into the hearts of the men and the gods, I don't know what will.

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..and I don't get comments like yours. I never said anything about 'beating anyone up' , I said 'playing big'. Can you not understand the difference? If Tinordi isn't going to clear the front of the net, or get the puck out of the defensive corner, then whats the point of all that size? He hasn't played 'big' yet. He hasn't been that physical or gritty, which is what I would expect out of his size and pedigree.

So before you lump me into the group that is begging for a fighter, get a better grasp of my post by reading what I wrote.
My point is, who cares if he "plays big" or not as long as he's helping the team win? It seems like that's all this board cares about any more. I don't care if he plays like he's 4 feet tall as long as he's doing everything right defensively.

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Fearless prediction:

This is the start of Tinordi's Conn Smythe throphy campaign and the beginning of his reign as the new Chris Pronger.
Or the next Ryan O'Byrne. History will be made.

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