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04-24-2013, 12:28 PM
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Lindholm has a contract until the end of the 2013-14 season and Barkov until the end of the 2014-15 season.

Both however are available to NHL teams because their countries have transfer agreements with the NHL.
The Swedish transfer agreement has expired, so i dont know how Brynäs will react.
Brynäs wants compensation to release him, we will see what happens.

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04-24-2013, 12:33 PM
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he is locked into the KHL for the next two years.

I think teams may be wary of not only another Radulov situation, but another Kuznetsov situation as well.
This, pretty much. Whether or not it's reasonable, teams are wary of this and the only team in the top 10 who probably wouldn't think twice about drafting him is Tampa Bay. Considering their depth at forward however i dont think it likely that they actually do, although if they were to trade back from where they sit i could see it as a possibility.

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04-24-2013, 12:36 PM
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Doesn't he still have to do his military service?
Yes.. and no. It won't prevent him from preparing to NHL if it's up to that.. like it hasn't with Granlund, Koivu etc.

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04-24-2013, 12:42 PM
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The Swedish transfer agreement has expired, so i dont know how Brynäs will react.
Brynäs wants compensation to release him, we will see what happens.
It is in place, just like Finland, they continued it one more year. (Yes I know about the Söderberg case, but it seems that he was allowed to leave because he's contract had expired rather than because there wouldn't be a transfer agreement)

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04-24-2013, 12:45 PM
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he is locked into the KHL for the next two years.

I think teams may be wary of not only another Radulov situation, but another Kuznetsov situation as well.
Two years of development at home would sound like the normal time for a European born player before he comes to NHL.

Barkov has also said he'd be fit by the time NHL training camps begin.

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04-24-2013, 01:05 PM
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Two years of development at home would sound like the normal time for a European born player before he comes to NHL.

Barkov has also said he'd be fit by the time NHL training camps begin.
Correct me if im wrong, but isn't this the same thing as with Kuznetsov? Then he signed an extension in Russia after those two years.

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Have seen them all play, just not live. Either way, here's how I rank them.

Barkov

Nichushkin


Lindholm


Monahan
My ranking right here.

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04-24-2013, 01:58 PM
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Barkov

Monahan
Lindholm


Nichushkin

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Pure talent:

Nichushkin

Barkov


Lindholm


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I really love Nicushkin's game, Im just wondering if he can dominate physically like that in the NHL.

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Correct me if im wrong, but isn't this the same thing as with Kuznetsov? Then he signed an extension in Russia after those two years.
Remember someone speculated that Kuznetsov's 'extra' two years might have something to do with Sochi.

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Derp. Thought Staal was 17, he was 18 when he played his first game. Totally forgot rules of age and the draft lol.


Let's say a 16 year old player killing the SEL never filed for draft eligibility. Could a team sign him and play him at that age if he was good enough?
Nope!

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Correct me if im wrong, but isn't this the same thing as with Kuznetsov? Then he signed an extension in Russia after those two years.
Well if Nichushkin signs an extension with Traktor, then it becomes a Russian factor. Depends what he says in the interviews at draft whether the NHL clubs think there is one. The new CBA allows teams to hold on the European draft picks rights for 4 years so they aren't in a rush to bring them anyway (I know Russia doesn't have one).

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It is in place, just like Finland, they continued it one more year. (Yes I know about the Söderberg case, but it seems that he was allowed to leave because he's contract had expired rather than because there wouldn't be a transfer agreement)
According to Swedish Newspapers intervju with SIHF its not. They will block all transfers from SEL to NHL till a new transfer agreement is in place wich gives the swedish clubs a fair deal money wise to send players to nhl with time left on their contract. So check your facts.

Here is the link to the article.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportblade...cle16669127.ab

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Looks like barring a team below winning lottery, NSH gets Barkov, who I think could end up being the best overall player in the draft.

I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up going before one of the Halifax twins.

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I have a feeling Nichushkin is available at #8 when the Sabres pick, is he really that good? seems like he just has one move where he powers wide

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Looks like barring a team below winning lottery, NSH gets Barkov, who I think could end up being the best overall player in the draft.

I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up going before one of the Halifax twins.
I like Barkov alot but it's really hard to see him going ahead of Nathan.

Nashville really needs to get some projected high end forwards to move forward.

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I have a feeling Nichushkin is available at #8 when the Sabres pick, is he really that good? seems like he just has one move where he powers wide
He really is that good.

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I have a feeling Nichushkin is available at #8 when the Sabres pick, is he really that good? seems like he just has one move where he powers wide
I think he goes before 8.

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I don't understand why almost everyone sees Monahan as the #5 centre in the draft by now. Before the start of this season he was ranked #3 or #4 overall. He registered very solid 78 points in 58 games this year, continued playing a very good overall game and I still think he'll turn out as one of the best forwards of the draft. MacKinnon is the only centre I see far ahead of him but he can definitely challenge Barkov and Nichushkin for the #2 centre spot in this year's draft.

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I don't understand why almost everyone sees Monahan as the #5 centre in the draft by now. Before the start of this season he was ranked #3 or #4 overall. He registered very solid 78 points in 58 games this year, continued playing a very good overall game and I still think he'll turn out as one of the best forwards of the draft. MacKinnon is the only centre I see far ahead of him but he can definitely challenge Barkov and Nichushkin for the #2 centre spot in this year's draft.
I would disagree on this. Barkov and MacKinnon are very close, if not on the same tier. Also had Barkov played in Junior league, I would guess he'd be well over 1.3PPG player there since he played a point per game in a professional league. Also, Monahan has a full year of more development than Barkov, who is a year younger. I'd bet that a year or a couple from now Barkov will show you why Monahan and Barkov are not that close as prospects. That one year of extra development will make Monahan look like he would be of the same tier as Barkov and MacKinnon, but when you look at their projections, it really is not that close.

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I don't understand why almost everyone sees Monahan as the #5 centre in the draft by now. Before the start of this season he was ranked #3 or #4 overall. He registered very solid 78 points in 58 games this year, continued playing a very good overall game and I still think he'll turn out as one of the best forwards of the draft. MacKinnon is the only centre I see far ahead of him but he can definitely challenge Barkov and Nichushkin for the #2 centre spot in this year's draft.
Monahan is a full year older than Barkov, makes a difference

Is Nichushkin a center? I have only seen him play wing

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In terms of talent:
Barkov
Lindholm
Nichushkin
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Monahan

In terms of 2-way play:
Barkov
Monahan
Linholm
Nichushkin

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I would disagree on this. Barkov and MacKinnon are very close, if not on the same tier. Also had Barkov played in Junior league, I would guess he'd be well over 1.3PPG player there since he played a point per game in a professional league. Also, Monahan has a full year of more development than Barkov, who is a year younger. I'd bet that a year or a couple from now Barkov will show you why Monahan and Barkov are not that close as prospects. That one year of extra development will make Monahan look like he would be of the same tier as Barkov and MacKinnon, but when you look at their projections, it really is not that close.
No, Barkov and MacKinnon is not on the same level.

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No, Barkov and MacKinnon is not on the same level.
Its pretty close

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