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04-24-2013, 07:32 AM
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While I think "dumping" Price would be stupid, maybe we're looking at goalies from the wrong angle.

I mean, the only goalie in your list to have lift the cup is also the only goalie not making 6Mil +.
The only reason Quick isn't making "6mil +" is because he has a 10 year deal that starts next season where he makes 7 mil until the later years he probably won't play out if he falls off.

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The only reason Quick isn't making "6mil +" is because he has a 10 year deal that starts next season where he makes 7 mil until the later years he probably won't play out if he falls off.
The point was: Did Quick not making 6 millions help the kings win the cup?

if we look at the starter salary of every stanley cup finalist since the lockout, most of them was making under 2 000 000$

2006: Carolina - Ward (684 000$) / Edmonton - Roloson (1 672 000$)
2007: Anaheim - Giguere (3 990 000$) / Ottawa - Emery (925 000$)
2008: Detroit - Osgood (800 000$) / Pittsburg - Fleury (1 3000 000$)
2009: Pittsburg - Fleury (5 000 000$ / Detroit - Osgood (1 500 000$)
2010: Chicago - Niemi (826 875$) / Philadelphia - Leighton (600 000$)
2011: Boston - Thomas (5 000 000$) / Vancouver - Luongo (5 333 333$)
2012: LA - Quick (1 800 000$) / NJ - Brodeur (5 200 000$)

even 5 000 000$+ goalie like Thomas, Luongo, Brodeur wasnt among the top 10 paid goalies of the league when they make the finals. (Well, i think Luongo was 10th, it depends if we included Huet or not,if my memory is good)


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The point was: Did Quick not making 6 millions help the kings win the cup?
I would say no since they were below the cap even if you added 4 mil to Quicks cap hit.

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I would say no since they were below the cap even if you added 4 mil to Quicks cap hit.
Its not always about cap hit, its also about budget.

i edited my previous post with more info.

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The point was: Did Quick not making 6 millions help the kings win the cup?

if we look at the starter salary of every stanley cup finalist since the lockout, most of them was making under 2 000 000$

2006: Carolina - Ward (684 000$) / Edmonton - Roloson (1 672 000$)
2007: Anaheim - Giguere (3 990 000$) / Ottawa - Emery (925 000$)
2008: Detroit - Osgood (800 000$) / Pittsburg - Fleury (1 3000 000$)
2009: Pittsburg - Fleury (5 000 000$ / Detroit - Osgood (1 500 000$)
2010: Chicago - Niemi (826 875$) / Philadelphia - Leighton (600 000$)
2011: Boston - Thomas (5 000 000$) / Vancouver - Luongo (5 333 333$)
2012: LA - Quick (1 800 000$) / NJ - Brodeur (5 200 000$)

even 5 000 000$+ goalie like Thomas, Luongo, Brodeur wasnt among the top 10 paid goalies of the league when they make the finals. (Well, i think Luongo was 10th, it depends if we included Huet or not,if my memory is good)
Good thing to know that Lundqvist or Rinne will never win the cup.

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Good thing to know that Lundqvist or Rinne will never win the cup.
How did you conclude that? I dont understand.

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"Here's Bergeron in all alone on Price.. shoots.. HE SCORES.. RIGHT THROUGH THE 6.5 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT. That's one Bergevin is gonna want back!!"


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What I would find funny is that Carey Price stumbles in the 1st game by a score of 5-1 and then they put in Budaj they lose by a score of 4-0, and they decide to go with Tokarski and he helps the Habs get past 1st round as they never lose a single game again, and they go on to win round 2 ans get eliminated in round 3 in 7 games, we could definitely see who will become the new man in Montreal. HAHAHA

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Price is not Roy.

In other news.. the earth is not flat.

Seriously, why the **** is anyone expecting Price to be as good as the best goalie to ever play the game?

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Price is not Roy.

In other news.. the earth is not flat.

Seriously, why the **** is anyone expecting Price to be as good as the best goalie to ever play the game?
People need to freaking understand that Price is as good as it gets in the league, because there's no Hasek, Brodeur or Roy. (Well there is one Brodeur.. but he has less wins than seasons played)

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04-24-2013, 01:35 PM
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People need to freaking understand that Price is as good as it gets in the league, because there's no Hasek, Brodeur or Roy. (Well there is one Brodeur.. but he has less wins than seasons played)
Price is as good as the guys in front of him. No better, no worse. But we should expect more from a 6,5 million goalie.

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Price is as good as the guys in front of him. No better, no worse. But we should expect more from a 6,5 million goalie.
K.

I'm going to text Price now.

"You're being paid 6.5 million. I need you to stop the defensive break downs leading to one-timers, high slot tips, breakaways and multiple rebound opportunities. I also need you to start the break out from our own end. It'd also be appreciated, due to your salary, that you skate out of your net, initimidate players with your size by hitting them and then rush down the ice and score some goals for the team. kthx."

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04-24-2013, 01:59 PM
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Is Price worn out by overuse? We know he can perform better.

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Is Price worn out by overuse? We know he can perform better.
A guy with his size, "talent" and paycheck, is supposed to play that many games. Budaj has played already manymore vames than anyone expected.

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K.

I'm going to text Price now.

"You're being paid 6.5 million. I need you to stop the defensive break downs leading to one-timers, high slot tips, breakaways and multiple rebound opportunities. I also need you to start the break out from our own end. It'd also be appreciated, due to your salary, that you skate out of your net, initimidate players with your size by hitting them and then rush down the ice and score some goals for the team. kthx."
blame the defense all you want. Newsflash: other teams have defensive breakdowns. I just heard someoone laughing at Dubnyk. He has better numbers than Price. Have you watched Edmonton's D? They don't exist. People keep harping on the defensive breakdowns as if Price's numbers were top 5 beforehand. And if you're being paid that type of coin then you're going to have to be super human at times....that's what separates the $6M goalies from the $2M ones.

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A guy with his size, "talent" and paycheck, is supposed to play that many games. Budaj has played already manymore vames than anyone expected.
Many more?

He's played in 12 and started 9 IIRC.

How is that many more than anyone expected? Did people expect Price to play 45 games this year?

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Many more?

He's played in 12 and started 9 IIRC.

How is that many more than anyone expected? Did people expect Price to play 45 games this year?
I was expecting Budaj to play 8, so close enough I guess

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blame the defense all you want. Newsflash: other teams have defensive breakdowns. I just heard someoone laughing at Dubnyk. He has better numbers than Price. Have you watched Edmonton's D? They don't exist. People keep harping on the defensive breakdowns as if Price's numbers were top 5 beforehand. And if you're being paid that type of coin then you're going to have to be super human at times....that's what separates the $6M goalies from the $2M ones.
So you're saying that aside from the 3 goals last night that the Habs had no defensive break-downs? That Price did not save them multiple times throughout the night despite their horrid defensive stats?

I'm sorry to break it to you. But Hockey is a team game, much more than any other sport (save Running Back plays in the NFL). If the defense is constantly giving up grade A chances, the goalie can't stop them all.

If you're expecting miracles, you're going to hate every goalie we're ever going to have.

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Price is as good as the guys in front of him. No better, no worse. But we should expect more from a 6,5 million goalie.
Whether Price is making league minimum or 6.5M/yr...the expectations will always be high in MTL.

In fact, any goalie that will ever play for the Habs will always be expected and compared to Roy or even Dryden

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blame the defense all you want. Newsflash: other teams have defensive breakdowns. I just heard someoone laughing at Dubnyk. He has better numbers than Price. Have you watched Edmonton's D? They don't exist. People keep harping on the defensive breakdowns as if Price's numbers were top 5 beforehand. And if you're being paid that type of coin then you're going to have to be super human at times....that's what separates the
$6M goalies from the $2M ones
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Quick question...

When Price on his entry level deal...were your expectations any lower

His salary is really irrelevent in this conversation.

Price just has to be better, not because he now makes 6.25M/yr...but because this team needs him to be on form to have any chance at making any damage in the playoffs

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Whether Price is making league minimum or 6.5M/yr...the expectations will always be high in MTL.

In fact, any goalie that will ever play for the Habs will always be expected and compared to Roy or even Dryden
Huet, Halak and Hackett were all goalies that were appreciated by the fans. No overpaid, overated superstar here.

I would prefer to have that type of reliable goalie and get instead a super d-man or a super big center or big productive power forward.

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People need to freaking understand that Price is as good as it gets in the league, because there's no Hasek, Brodeur or Roy. (Well there is one Brodeur.. but he has less wins than seasons played)
I disagree

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So you're saying that aside from the 3 goals last night that the Habs had no defensive break-downs? That Price did not save them multiple times throughout the night despite their horrid defensive stats?

I'm sorry to break it to you. But Hockey is a team game, much more than any other sport (save Running Back plays in the NFL). If the defense is constantly giving up grade A chances, the goalie can't stop them all.

If you're expecting miracles, you're going to hate every goalie we're ever going to have.
I think they've surrendered more breakaways in the last handful of games than in the previous 35 - 40 games. Considering that giving up a breakaway is literally the worst thing a defence can concede, it amazes me that he gets chastised way above and beyond what the D group (and forwards) in front of him get. Sure he's had a couple softies, but the defence keeps serving up pizzas like the Elias breakaway last night. How do you give up a breakaway at the blue line on a penalty kill when your main job as a group of 4 is to force a dump in? That should never happen.

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The beauty of that article is that he starts off telling people not to panic and then he concludes by saying that we are screwed anyway because Price is our goalie.

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