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04-24-2013, 03:26 PM
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Brandon Pirri can't buy a break it seems. So if Leblanc has 10 points over the next 3 games it'll be "that was great kid see ya next year" and Pirri will continue to sit while Kruger, Bolland, Sharp muddle their way through 2C in the playoffs.

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04-24-2013, 03:30 PM
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It is kind of bizarre. If Hawks need to re-sign LeBlanc I guess they could be getting him in a game or two to show him they are serious about giving him a role with the team next year.

However, given that Bolland and Sharp have been injured of late, it is quite confounding that they wouldn't give Pirri a look over the final three games to see if he could fill in for playoff injuries.

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Im sure the Hawks already know what Pirri will look like and Im sure he'll get his chance next year. Since the Hawks already have LeBlanc on the roster because of the signing terms, they get to see how he'll show in a real game situation.

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Pirri is a +11 despite 75 points.

It's a 2 way game, call me when he figures that out.
bolland is supposed to be a defensive whiz and is-7 because he can't contribute **** offensively. I'll take production, a plus rating, and "bad defense" over no production, a minus and"good defense" every day of the week.

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It's Playoff time, Drew Leblanc not eligible, Brandon Pirri don't want to play him, Bolland injured and stinks, Kruger does not do well at 2C, Sharp injured and never plays 2C anymore. What the **** is this team doing?

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It's Playoff time, Drew Leblanc not eligible, Brandon Pirri don't want to play him, Bolland injured and stinks, Kruger does not do well at 2C, Sharp injured and never plays 2C anymore. What the **** is this team doing?
Expecting Kane to continue carrying the second line, probably.

Should be interesting to see how LeBlanc plays though.

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bolland is supposed to be a defensive whiz and is-7 because he can't contribute **** offensively. I'll take production, a plus rating, and "bad defense" over no production, a minus and"good defense" every day of the week.
I'll take the guy who's a proven NHL player and we know can bring it in the playoffs...

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04-24-2013, 04:02 PM
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I really don't know why they're not trying out Pirri in case he needs to play in the Playoffs. I think he earned a shot while Bolland is out.

Why try the guy out that can't play in the Playoffs? Makes far less sense than trying Pirri out.

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I'll take the guy who's a proven NHL player and we know can bring it in the playoffs...
I'll take both. Nevermind the most important fact. Bolland is banged up, time to start looking at options for this year, not next year.

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The good news about these two players is that in all likelihood, Dave Bolland is expendable.
Great, we have two guys with 6 combined NHL games so we can trade Bolland.

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We have more capable centers than we have roster spots for.
Sure doesn't seem like it. We have Toews, a banged up Bolland playing out of position, a winger on the 3rd line and and an assortment of solid 4th line centers.

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04-24-2013, 04:37 PM
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Pirri is a +11 despite 75 points.

It's a 2 way game, call me when he figures that out.
Huh? +11 is quite good. Second highest of all forwards on that roster.

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Huh? +11 is quite good. Second highest of all forwards on that roster.
A guy with THAT many points shouldn't only be +11. +/- is a very flawed stat, absolutely, but he was on the ice for 75 goals he created, while being unable to do anything about 64 on the other end (plus whatever discrepancy from goals he was out for and didn't get a point on). On the ice for at least 64 goals against in 76 games. That's a ****-ing DISGRACE!

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04-24-2013, 05:16 PM
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he had 75pts, how many of those were es? i doubt he was on ice for 64 ga. not to mention his net impact is still positive regardless.

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Forgot PP wasn't part of +/-


Either way...this current Hawk team is as strong as they are this year because they keep the puck out of their damn net. Pirri can't contribute to that with the way he currently plays the game.

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A guy with THAT many points shouldn't only be +11. +/- is a very flawed stat, absolutely, but he was on the ice for 75 goals he created, while being unable to do anything about 64 on the other end (plus whatever discrepancy from goals he was out for and didn't get a point on). On the ice for at least 64 goals against in 76 games. That's a ****-ing DISGRACE!
And Stamkos is -9. So what does that make him?

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And Stamkos is -9. So what does that make him?
I already said +/- is a flawed stat. It's not usable for comparing players on different teams, IMO.

If anyone here is arguing that Pirri does NOT need to get better defensively before he deserves a shot, than you're kidding yourself.

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Since he can't play, this is really a dumb move. Pirri should be the one.
That is what I think as an outsider, also might want to reward the guy that just led the AHL in scoring. Plus he could factor into the playoffs.

In any case excited to see LeBlanc in the NHL, enjoyed watching him when keeping tabs on Wings prospect Jensen. He is quite a player, you will be happy in Chicago. It could be a part of his deal in his contract too, which might explain it. Still think Pirri is the correct move here, but not my team.

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04-24-2013, 05:41 PM
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I already said +/- is a flawed stat. It's not usable for comparing players on different teams, IMO.

If anyone here is arguing that Pirri does NOT need to get better defensively before he deserves a shot, than you're kidding yourself.
But Leblanc is? Please...

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I wouldn't really call this a 'shot' for LeBlanc. He's not playoff eligible anyway...

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I already said +/- is a flawed stat. It's not usable for comparing players on different teams, IMO.

If anyone here is arguing that Pirri does NOT need to get better defensively before he deserves a shot, than you're kidding yourself.
I must be kidding myself then. What prospect with virtually zero prior NHL experience is a finished product defensively? The only way to get 'better' is to play in the NHL. How many 'offensive' centers are really two way or three zone players. Those are rare. Pirri has nothing left to prove in the AHL.

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Leblanc with 1 goal, 3 assists and +3 tonight against the Oilers, and the Hawks will have found the coveted 2C for the 10 years.

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Leblanc with 1 goal, 3 assists and +3 tonight against the Oilers, and the Hawks will have found the coveted 2C for the 10 years.
You have 500v cash. Bet it.

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I already said +/- is a flawed stat. It's not usable for comparing players on different teams, IMO.

If anyone here is arguing that Pirri does NOT need to get better defensively before he deserves a shot, than you're kidding yourself.
Yes, it's a flawed stat, and you're using it incorrectly.

You can't simply say "Oh he's +11, that sucks" as a flat statement and pass it off as truth. For one, you would be wrong. There aren't a tremendous amount of forwards above +10 on non-playoff teams. More importantly, though, you can't use +/- this way because it is a meaningless stat unless put into context.

Context in this case is a comparison to his teammates. He has the second highest +/- of any forward on Rockford. That is more than acceptable.
The "his defense sucks" garbage has become absurdly overstated. Yes, he's not Toews. Of course, he's not the the defensive disaster that was 07-08 Kane.
It seems as if a number of posters are going to yell "zomg his defense sucks" every time they hear Pirri's name, without ever acknowledging that he may have improved his game this season. I know, I'm just preaching heresy right now. Unheard-of stuff.

He's a scoring forward. He scores points. And Rockford is pretty mediocre. A +11 from a forward on that team - judging by the +/- of the team's forwards in general - is pretty damn solid.


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Yes, it's a flawed stat, and you're using it incorrectly.

You can't simply say "Oh he's +11, that sucks" as a flat statement and pass it off as truth. For one, you would be wrong. There aren't a tremendous amount of forwards above +10 on non-playoff teams. More importantly, though, you can't use +/- this way because it is a meaningless stat unless put into context.

Context in this case is a comparison to his teammates. He has the second highest +/- of any forward on Rockford. That is more than acceptable.
The "his defense sucks" garbage has become absurdly overstated. Yes, he's not Toews. Of course, he's not the the defensive disaster that was 07-08 Kane.
It seems as if a number of posters are going to yell "zomg his defense sucks" every time they hear Pirri's name, without ever acknowledging that he may have improved his game this season. I know, I'm just preaching heresy right now. Unheard-of stuff.

He's a scoring forward. He scores points. And Rockford is pretty mediocre. A +11 from a forward on that team - judging by the +/- of the team's forwards in general - is pretty damn solid.
Agreed. Incredibly solid.

The best forwards out there don't really need to be great two-way players if they're smart enough to keep the puck in the offensive zone with good to average linemates. If you can cycle the puck like the Sedins or Crosby + you'll always have a good +/-.

It's actually kind of funny that Pirri's +/- is so good AND being used to argue he's bad defensively considering where Kruger, Shaw, and Leddy were in terms of +/-

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Can we all just get over the Pirri stuff. He is on the big club next year and I'm sure the staff has made that very clear to him.

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