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04-22-2013, 01:44 PM
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Among older players:

--Tim Horton won three postseason all-star slots (including two 1st-teams) between the ages of 37 and 39. That's remarkable in any era, but particularly in an era when few players lasted that long, period.

--Same goes for John Bucyk. His point totals in the '70s owed a lot to the era and the stacked Bruins team he played on, but he was still a top-20 scorer at the age of 39 and 40. Pretty sure only Howe had pulled that off previously.

Also impressive: Bucyk was nearly a point-per-game player at the age of 41. Up until that point, only 10 players had ever played in the NHL at the age of 41.

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04-22-2013, 01:53 PM
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being that he might win the art ross at 37, maybe martin st. louis will be a name to throw in this discussion down the road?
For sure. Even if he doesn't win the Ross he still has:

2nd Team AS in 2010 (aged 35)
2nd Team AS in 2011 (aged 36)

And he's pretty much a lock for 1st Team AS this year at age 37.

He's a HoFer in my books.

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St. Louis definitely. The only knock on him is that he was a late bloomer, but to play this well this late into your career is still impressive.

Glenn Hall is another one that comes to mind. Was still elite into his late 30s.

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Glenn Hall is another one that comes to mind. Was still elite into his late 30s.
Yup. Good old Glenn DidYaGetAnyOnYa Hall. Dont know if the guy was aneroxix, bulemic, mebbe it was nerves. Dreadful thing, seeing yer game day dinner twice. The dry heaves therefter. Poor Bastid.

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Jean Ratelle had the best playoff runs of his career in his late-30s after being traded to Boston.

Al MacInnis's last full season in 02-03 (age 39) was one of the best of his career.

Though he's not eligible for the Hall yet, Mark Recchi seemed to play harder and more determined the older he got.

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Johnny Bower comes to mind. 4 Stanley cups after turning 35

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04-22-2013, 06:05 PM
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If we're talking about looks it's definitely Bobby Orr. Stone fox.

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04-22-2013, 06:30 PM
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St. Louis definitely. The only knock on him is that he was a late bloomer, but to play this well this late into your career is still impressive.
in a way, i think st. louis has almost uniquely transcended the late bloomer tag. guys like joe mullen or daniel alfredsson were late-bloomers in the traditional sense. they both played well later in their careers than most of their star contemporaries, but that was kind of catching up to the early career performances that they missed out on. (think: mullen vs. goulet, or alfredsson vs. tkachuk)

st. louis though, has by now more than made up for his late start. a comparable for him might be iginla, a guy almost the same age who broke in at a normal age for a star winger. even though iginla still has st. louis on career games played and points, i think if we had a st. louis vs. iginla poll, it's probably going to be st. louis on top. which even a year or two ago would have seemed far-fetched.

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For sure. Even if he doesn't win the Ross he still has:

2nd Team AS in 2010 (aged 35)
2nd Team AS in 2011 (aged 36)

And he's pretty much a lock for 1st Team AS this year at age 37.

He's a HoFer in my books.
IMO he's had a more impressive career than relatively recent inductees such as Duff, Shutt, Gillies, Barber, Anderson, Ciccarelli and Federko.

I wasn't sure about him, but this year should make him a virtual lock. Getting to over 1000pts should make him a cinch.

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04-23-2013, 01:30 AM
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Something I'd like to note on that illustrates partly how incredible Howe playing at 52 was and how early Orr retired.

If Orr played as long as Howe did he would have retired in 2000. Just think of all the things Orr was retired for. The Islander dynasty. Gretzky and the Oilers. Lemieux. European Invasion. DPE. All things that Orr would have played through if he had Howe's longevity.

If Gretzky had Howe's longevity this would have been his last year.

When put into perspective playing at 52 is mindblowing.

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04-23-2013, 01:52 AM
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I think the fastest decline would have to be Greztky.

97pts in his 3rd last year. Tied for 4th overall in pts.

2 years later. He is well under a ppg and nowhere near the top 10 in scoring.

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04-23-2013, 02:01 AM
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Something I'd like to note on that illustrates partly how incredible Howe playing at 52 was and how early Orr retired.

If Orr played as long as Howe did he would have retired in 2000. Just think of all the things Orr was retired for. The Islander dynasty. Gretzky and the Oilers. Lemieux. European Invasion. DPE. All things that Orr would have played through if he had Howe's longevity.

If Gretzky had Howe's longevity this would have been his last year.

When put into perspective playing at 52 is mindblowing.
which is why there is only one answer to the question "put together the perfect hockey player," you know the kind where people say gretzky's vision, with mario's long arms and stickhandling and wrist shot, with coffey's skating, with gainey's defense, with chopper's slapper, with jagr's butt, with kocur's fists, etc. etc.

the only proper answer is bobby orr with gordie howe's knees.

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04-23-2013, 09:39 AM
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To me, this thread screams "Larionov and Fetisov."

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04-23-2013, 11:49 AM
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Frank Mahovolich probably had his best year in 1961, but he re-peaked in the early 70s after being traded to Montreal.

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Brind'Amour comes to mind, dude was ripped. His very last season wasn't the greatest but played very well right up until then.
+1. Put up arguably the two best full seasons of his career at 36 and 37, then put up 51 points in just 59 games at age 38. Managed 51 points at age 39 in a third-line checking role. He played one year too long. Still how many players are better than ever at 37 years old? Crazy.

Steve Larmer was another guy who seemed to just get better and better the older he got. He probably could've played another 3 or 4 years. He should be in the HOF based on level of play alone but probably doesn't have the cumulative numbers because he chose to retire early.

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04-24-2013, 12:44 AM
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IMO he's had a more impressive career than relatively recent inductees such as Duff, Shutt, Gillies, Barber, Anderson, Ciccarelli and Federko.

I wasn't sure about him, but this year should make him a virtual lock. Getting to over 1000pts should make him a cinch.
I agree here, even if his career ended this season MSL is a lock IMO.

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To me, this thread screams "Larionov and Fetisov."
Fetisov aged horribly, looked less than average ages 32-36, then the Detroit team made him look better than he really was in the end.

Sort of like a mini Bourque situation with Colorado but at least Ray played heavy minutes.

Larinov did age quite well and is often the overlooked guy on that 5 man unit IMO.

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Fetisov aged horribly, looked less than average ages 32-36, then the Detroit team made him look better than he really was in the end.
Uhm, whatever. Slava was awesome in Detroit, both with Konstantinov and, after that horrible accident, with Ward. The second unit behind Lidstrom. A rock.

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Uhm, whatever. Slava was awesome in Detroit, both with Konstantinov and, after that horrible accident, with Ward. The second unit behind Lidstrom. A rock.
Fetisov was pretty bad in NJ, but I think that was mainly struggling to fit in with a totally different system. Kasatonov's simpler game made it easier for him to adapt.

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Uhm, whatever. Slava was awesome in Detroit, both with Konstantinov and, after that horrible accident, with Ward. The second unit behind Lidstrom. A rock.
Ward was on the third unit with Bob Rouse; a rookie Anders Eriksson was on the second with Fetisov.

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which is why there is only one answer to the question "put together the perfect hockey player," you know the kind where people say gretzky's vision, with mario's long arms and stickhandling and wrist shot, with coffey's skating, with gainey's defense, with chopper's slapper, with jagr's butt, with kocur's fists, etc. etc.

the only proper answer is bobby orr with gordie howe's knees.
Why would you use Gainey's defense?

There have been hundreds of defensemen who are better defensively (or at least more impactful) than Gainey was. Why not "Lidstrom's defense" or "Harvey's defense"?

Also... Jagr's butt? If you mean strength and puck protection, you mean "core/lower body".

Also, prefer Fedorov's skating; Gartner and maybe prime Coffey had faster top-end speed without the puck in a straight line... but Bure's the only guy who came close to Fedorov's speed and agility WITH the puck. With those two, it's as if the puck didn't even affect their speed at all; completely unreal.

Also, as far as "Kocur's fists", I think you mean "Probert's fists, and Kocur's right arm". And don't forget Howe's elbows.

Also, you forgot "Konstantinov's hips" and "Stevens' shoulders", as well as "Macoun's beard".

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Didn't see anyone mention Adam Oates scoring a point a game at 40 years old.

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Frank Mahovolich probably had his best year in 1961, but he re-peaked in the early 70s after being traded to Montreal.
Ya, he unfortunately under the what can only be described as the beyond cruel yoke of Punch Imlach never really came close to reaching his potential while physically in his prime, suffering numerous mental breakdown's resulting in hospitalization on several occasions. The Big 'M' had all the tools. Size, incredible speed, just a beautiful skater, fast hands & eyes, a Hell of a shot etc etc etc. Quite possible we'd be talking about him as being on par if not better than Bobby Hull had he been Montreal "property" and not a Leaflander from the get-go. Imlachs' Trap System simply wasnt conducive to a pure offensive talent like that, he, along with Brewer & several others lost in space & time, never fulfilling their true potential as a result... and Imlach was absolutely Evil about it. Turning the screws whenever he could. Its a wonder someone didnt kill him with their bare hands quite frankly.... I was lucky enough to be seated beside him at the 1989 HHOF Induction Dinner in Toronto, and for several hours buttonholed him with conversation. Very quiet man, uses words sparsely, sensitive & caring, extremely intelligent.... talk about a pair of mismatched oddballs. Me n' Frank. Guess you had to be there. Pretty hilarious really.


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Why would you use Gainey's defense?

There have been hundreds of defensemen who are better defensively (or at least more impactful) than Gainey was. Why not "Lidstrom's defense" or "Harvey's defense"?

Also... Jagr's butt? If you mean strength and puck protection, you mean "core/lower body".

Also, prefer Fedorov's skating; Gartner and maybe prime Coffey had faster top-end speed without the puck in a straight line... but Bure's the only guy who came close to Fedorov's speed and agility WITH the puck. With those two, it's as if the puck didn't even affect their speed at all; completely unreal.

Also, as far as "Kocur's fists", I think you mean "Probert's fists, and Kocur's right arm". And don't forget Howe's elbows.

Also, you forgot "Konstantinov's hips" and "Stevens' shoulders", as well as "Macoun's beard".
they were just cliches and jokes, eva. thank you for making this about red wings though. much appreciated.

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