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04-24-2013, 04:26 AM
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Conn Smythe came out in 1965. Wonder who would have been some of the winners if trophy existed before?

Same as Jack Adams Trophy which came into being in 1974? I imagine Toe Blake would have owed it for years.

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THN's selections for Conn Smythe (from Great Debates, 2004)
1918 Alf Skinner
1920-21 Jack Darragh
1922 Babe Dye
1923 Punch Broadbent
1924 Howie Morenz
1925 Jack Walker
1926 Nels Stewart
1927 Alex Connell
1928 Frank Boucher
1929 Tiny Thompson
1930 George Hainsworth
1931 Johnny Gagnon
1932 Charlie Conacher
1933 Ivan Johnson
1934 Lionel Conacher
1935 Baldy Northcott
1936 Normie Smith
1937 Marty Barry
1938 Gordie Drillon
1939 Bill Cowley
1940 Phil Watson
1941 Milt Schmidt
1942 Syl Apps
1943 Sid Abel
1944 Toe Blake
1945 Frank McCool
1946 Elmer Lach
1947-48 Ted Kennedy
1949 Turk Broda
1950 Chuck Rayner
1951, 1953, 1958 Maurice Richard
1952 Terry Sawchuk
1954 Red Kelly
1955, 1964 Gordie Howe
1956 Jean Beliveau
1957 Bernie Geoffrion
1959 Marcel Bonin
1960 Jacques Plante
1961 Pierre Pilote
1962 Tim Horton
1963 Johnny Bower

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Interesting. Most of them are the same as SIHR/the HHOF's Retroactive Conn Smythe project, but some are different:

was a group of hockey historians (associated with SIHR I think) who were sponsored by the HHOF to do a retro Conn Smythe project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_Conn_Smythe

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THN's selections for Conn Smythe (from Great Debates, 2004)
1918 Alf Skinner
1920-21 Jack Darragh
1922 Babe Dye
1923 Punch Broadbent
1924 Howie Morenz
1925 Jack Walker
1926 Nels Stewart
1927 Alex Connell
1928 Frank Boucher
1929 Tiny Thompson
1930 George Hainsworth
1931 Johnny Gagnon
1932 Charlie Conacher
1933 Ivan Johnson
1934 Lionel Conacher
1935 Baldy Northcott
1936 Normie Smith
1937 Marty Barry
1938 Gordie Drillon
1939 Bill Cowley
1940 Phil Watson
1941 Milt Schmidt
1942 Syl Apps
1943 Sid Abel
1944 Toe Blake
1945 Frank McCool
1946 Elmer Lach
1947-48 Ted Kennedy
1949 Turk Broda
1950 Chuck Rayner
1951, 1953, 1958 Maurice Richard
1952 Terry Sawchuk
1954 Red Kelly
1955, 1964 Gordie Howe
1956 Jean Beliveau
1957 Bernie Geoffrion
1959 Marcel Bonin
1960 Jacques Plante
1961 Pierre Pilote
1962 Tim Horton
1963 Johnny Bower
Different selections by the Retro Conn Smythe Project

1919: Lalonde (THN doesn't list anyone, I assume because the finals were cancelled)
1933: Cecil Dillon
1943: Jack Stewart
1945: Ted Kennedy
1953: Ed Sandford
1954: Terry Sawchuk
1962: Stan Mikita
1964: Bob Pulford (did you just forget to add 1964)

The HHOF project has been criticized for including a player from the losing team too many times - Normie Smith in 1936, Gordie Drillon in 1938, Chuck Rayner in 1950, Maurice Richard in 1951, Ed Sandford in 1953, and Stan Mikita in 1962. The THN list gives the 1953 and 1962 Smythes to players on the winning team which is probably more realistic.

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Should probably be Glenn Hall instead of Pilote in '61.

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Should probably be Glenn Hall instead of Pilote in '61.
A defenseman on the Cup winning team leading the entire playoffs in points is gonna get him the Smythe every time...even if someone else played better.

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Normie Smith

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Interesting. Most of them are the same as SIHR/the HHOF's Retroactive Conn Smythe project, but some are different:

was a group of hockey historians (associated with SIHR I think) who were sponsored by the HHOF to do a retro Conn Smythe project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_Conn_Smythe



Different selections by the Retro Conn Smythe Project

1919: Lalonde (THN doesn't list anyone, I assume because the finals were cancelled)
1933: Cecil Dillon
1943: Jack Stewart
1945: Ted Kennedy
1953: Ed Sandford
1954: Terry Sawchuk
1962: Stan Mikita
1964: Bob Pulford (did you just forget to add 1964)

The HHOF project has been criticized for including a player from the losing team too many times - Normie Smith in 1936, Gordie Drillon in 1938, Chuck Rayner in 1950, Maurice Richard in 1951, Ed Sandford in 1953, and Stan Mikita in 1962. The THN list gives the 1953 and 1962 Smythes to players on the winning team which is probably more realistic.
1936 Normie Smith was the goalie on the SC championship Red Wings.

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1964: Bob Pulford (did you just forget to add 1964)
He's got Howe winning in 1964.

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Interesting.
Ya that THN List is interesting TDMM. Whats the deal with Marcel Bonin
in 59? Who is this guy, where'd he come from and where did he go?

According to Joe Pelletiers blog, Marcel there used to wrestle Bears n' whatnot, and in 59 on a line with Big Jean was like
a Doug Gilmour type player on steroids. Originally property of Detroit & the Bruins, fell thru Montreals cracks. Utility type.

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Marcel Bonin

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Ya that THN List is interesting TDMM. Whats the deal with Marcel Bonin
in 59? Who is this guy, where'd he come from and where did he go?

According to Joe Pelletiers blog, Marcel there used to wrestle Bears n' whatnot, and in 59 on a line with Big Jean was like
a Doug Gilmour type player on steroids. Originally property of Detroit & the Bruins, fell thru Montreals cracks. Utility type.
1959 playoffs with Maurice Richard and Jean Beliveau injured stepped up scoring 10 goals in 11 games. Dickie Moore led playoff scoring:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/1959.html

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