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04-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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...I think [the lack of PP production] really speaks to the lack of actual offensive talent up front.
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it is...not sure why people continually point to the "system".
I guess I don't agree regarding the notion that the Bruins lack offensive talent in the forward ranks. They aren't loaded with talent, but they certainly have it: Seguin, Marchand, Bergeron, and now Jagr. Jury is still out wrt Soderberg, but presumably he will produce once he's acclimated to North American hockey play.

I do agree it's not the system, unless this constant reliance on the point is part of the system, as opposed to a by-product of the poor execution.

It's this poor execution which I think is the problem. I thought Andy Brickley commented on it specifically a game or two ago when, during the power play, Jagr had the puck and was looking for someone to make a play with. Everyone was standing around and not creating any passing lanes. Brick spoke directly to this in real time!

To me, there are problems with poor decision making when in possession of the puck and too much standing around. Because of the rushed nature the puck is constantly pushed to the point, which is more or less a guaranteed shot resulting in a turnover.

Until the PP units begin to function better with improved puck protection, less rushing, improved decision making, less reliance on shots from the point, and more movement, nothing is going to improve. These are not issues related to just the forwards.

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I'm coming around to the fact this might be the case, but the problem is two points:

1. There are several NHL teams with less high-end talent and better power plays. Several. And there have been each year since our PP has been this terrible.

2. A unit of Krejci-Seguin-Jagr-Hamilton and whoever is very talented. Mix in Soderberg, Bergeron and Marchand and you've got a top 10 crew in terms of talent. Obviously Seguin, Jagr and Hamilton are relative newcomers, but as of this morning, they have the talent. These guys should be producing at a higher clip. Jagr alone is one the best PP players in the entire league.
1. Anomalies happen in sports. It's counter intuitive to think that some teams with less talent would be better with a man up, but it happens. Also, scheme can certainly help. I even said as much in my initial post. The scheme here is terrible and has been for years. This is starting to change now that Jagr is here, which leads me back to thinking that it's really a lack of offensive talent up front.

2. The puck movement on the PP has improved tremendously since Jagr has come on board, but it's only been 10 games. I think right now, it's just a matter of time before everyone is comfortable playing together and understanding what their roles are on the PP.

If I were to put out a first unit PP, I'd roll with Jagr, DK, Soderberg and the second grouping would be the PB line. I'd give Jagr the lion's share of time as well.

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04-25-2013, 10:41 AM
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I guess I don't agree regarding the notion that the Bruins lack offensive talent in the forward ranks. They aren't loaded with talent, but they certainly have it: Seguin, Marchand, Bergeron, and now Jagr. Jury is still out wrt Soderberg, but presumably he will produce once he's acclimated to North American hockey play.

I do agree it's not the system, unless this constant reliance on the point is part of the system, as opposed to a by-product of the poor execution.

It's this poor execution which I think is the problem. I thought Andy Brickley commented on it specifically a game or two ago when, during the power play, Jagr had the puck and was looking for someone to make a play with. Everyone was standing around and not creating any passing lanes. Brick spoke directly to this in real time!

To me, there are problems with poor decision making when in possession of the puck and too much standing around. Because of the rushed nature the puck is constantly pushed to the point, which is more or less a guaranteed shot resulting in a turnover.

Until the PP units begin to function better with improved puck protection, less rushing, improved decision making, less reliance on shots from the point, and more movement, nothing is going to improve. These are not issues related to just the forwards.
The Bruins forwards are generally what I'd call jacks of all trades. They're all pretty good at everything but there are no true high end offensive players at this point. They've got a great group of forwards, but there's not one single guy that is that guy. Maybe Seguin becomes that guy in the future, but he's not there yet.

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04-25-2013, 10:51 AM
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I guess I don't agree regarding the notion that the Bruins lack offensive talent in the forward ranks. They aren't loaded with talent, but they certainly have it: Seguin, Marchand, Bergeron, and now Jagr. Jury is still out wrt Soderberg, but presumably he will produce once he's acclimated to North American hockey play.

I do agree it's not the system, unless this constant reliance on the point is part of the system, as opposed to a by-product of the poor execution.

It's this poor execution which I think is the problem. I thought Andy Brickley commented on it specifically a game or two ago when, during the power play, Jagr had the puck and was looking for someone to make a play with. Everyone was standing around and not creating any passing lanes. Brick spoke directly to this in real time!

To me, there are problems with poor decision making when in possession of the puck and too much standing around. Because of the rushed nature the puck is constantly pushed to the point, which is more or less a guaranteed shot resulting in a turnover.

Until the PP units begin to function better with improved puck protection, less rushing, improved decision making, less reliance on shots from the point, and more movement, nothing is going to improve. These are not issues related to just the forwards.
It's amazing how often Bruins gravitate toward the PK-ers, as opposed to getting away from them.

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04-25-2013, 01:49 PM
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You know what, I started this thread out of frustration and doubt. This morning I had an event that made me realize I need to be more positive. So, when the playoffs start, I am convinced we will see a different team. Come on people....

LETS GO BRUINS!

Come on everybody...


LETS GO BRUINS!
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1. Anomalies happen in sports. It's counter intuitive to think that some teams with less talent would be better with a man up, but it happens. Also, scheme can certainly help. I even said as much in my initial post. The scheme here is terrible and has been for years. This is starting to change now that Jagr is here, which leads me back to thinking that it's really a lack of offensive talent up front.

2. The puck movement on the PP has improved tremendously since Jagr has come on board, but it's only been 10 games. I think right now, it's just a matter of time before everyone is comfortable playing together and understanding what their roles are on the PP.

If I were to put out a first unit PP, I'd roll with Jagr, DK, Soderberg and the second grouping would be the PB line. I'd give Jagr the lion's share of time as well.
Not going to lie, 5 on 4 I hate DK on the 1st unit. He's too long with the puck. In a system where the team doesn't move their feet enough, holding the puck is the result of turn overs. He's also too quick to look all the way across ice rather than work north to south and then across (thus turning the defensemen and opening lanes).

5 on 3 great- he's perfect with it. 5 on 4, he needs a lot of work, regardless of how talented he is at passing.

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04-25-2013, 02:12 PM
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Not going to lie, 5 on 4 I hate DK on the 1st unit. He's too long with the puck. In a system where the team doesn't move their feet enough, holding the puck is the result of turn overs. He's also too quick to look all the way across ice rather than work north to south and then across (thus turning the defensemen and opening lanes).

5 on 3 great- he's perfect with it. 5 on 4, he needs a lot of work, regardless of how talented he is at passing.
I agree. He slows things down to a painful level, doesn't move well (if at all), and never shoots, so defenders can always cheat for the pass. That being said, I kept him there because I really didn't want to break up the PB line. Otherwise, I'd go Seguin, Jagr, Soderberg on the first unit with Hamilton and Seidenberg on d.

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04-25-2013, 02:31 PM
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I agree. He slows things down to a painful level, doesn't move well (if at all), and never shoots, so defenders can always cheat for the pass. That being said, I kept him there because I really didn't want to break up the PB line. Otherwise, I'd go Seguin, Jagr, Soderberg on the first unit with Hamilton and Seidenberg on d.
Krejci can be frustrating but aside from Jagr he still has the best hands and vision on this team. Slow or not I take him over anyone not named Jagr or Seguin on the PP.

And as much as we are kinda resigned to playing the Yeti on the PP, I haven't seen enough to anoint him better than Krejci or even in the ballpark, power play or even strength.

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04-25-2013, 02:35 PM
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Krejci can be frustrating but aside from Jagr he still has the best hands and vision on this team. Slow or not I take him over anyone not named Jagr or Seguin on the PP.

And as much as we are kinda resigned to playing the Yeti on the PP, I haven't seen enough to anoint him better than Krejci or even in the ballpark, power play or even strength.
In terms of Soderberg, the thing I've seen out of him that is seriously lacking is a consistent drive to the net. He may need time to adjust his game to NA, but he's still driving to the net more than everyone else on the roster right now. That's really the only reason I included him on my first unit PP.

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I agree. He slows things down to a painful level, doesn't move well (if at all), and never shoots, so defenders can always cheat for the pass. That being said, I kept him there because I really didn't want to break up the PB line. Otherwise, I'd go Seguin, Jagr, Soderberg on the first unit with Hamilton and Seidenberg on d.
I really don't like Seidenberg on the PP.

I think the PP has looked a lot better since they added Jagr, they seem to work the puck down low a lot more rather than go to the point all the time.

I would like to see whoever is on the half wall with the puck to take the puck to the dot and put it on net more. Low far side and have the guy at the net pick up the rebound on the open net.

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04-25-2013, 03:31 PM
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It's pretty sad how inept they are, but I think that really speaks to the lack of actual offensive talent up front. The PP and how they run it is certainly a problem, but I've been saying for a long time how thin they were regarding an elite offensive player to build the pp around. They went into this season with all of none.

The Marchand-Bergeron-Segs line has clearly been our best line all season. I've never really understood why we wouldn't roll them out as the #1 PP unit.

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Good question, I`m still not convinced playing over there was/is a plus, completely different game with missing physical elements.

I think this team benefited from a lighter schedule to begin the season, put together some wins (not convincing wins but..) then the sched. got heavy, Kelly, regardless if he wasn`t playing the way we have come to expect was injured, Quaider, a quiet yet steady D man gone much of this year, a rotating door for 3rd line wingers etc....

Excuse making?? To a degree, either way, in the previous two lockout/strike seasons, I recall watching not just our Bruins, but many other teams with the exact same issues which have a way, over a full season of correcting themselves that you don`t have in a shortened one.

Either way, this team needs a few bounces, needs some ugly goals, and needs them to come off the sticks of a Pevs/Looch/Krejci, but to get those bounces, they must be earned, have to have the will to drive to the net, to stand in front and take the punishment to receive the reward.

Am I pumped about the way the boys have played this year??? Nope, but I`ve watched this game far too long to sit here and annoint ANY team with jack all based on the way they are heading into the playoffs.

Seen too many going into post season hot only to get bounced early, and seen teams claw and scratch their way in late, only to make a deep run. Playoffs are anything but predictable. Not sure this team has that "switch" to turn it on fully, but I do suspect they will bring far more intensity come playoff time, and with their experience, I would be quite shocked if this team brings that same spotty effort we saw against the Caps last season
I really like this post.

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it is...not sure why people continually point to the "system". Only Seguin even remotely weighs in on the "God given elite talent" meter for the B's...

If you're a Pens fan, and you see you are bottom third then yeah, its the system...for us, its the talent level.
Marchand and Horton are two of the better shooters in the NHL. Jagr can shoot and pass. Krecji is a great set up guy. Lucic is the big body in front of the net. Hamilton has done very well on the back end. This team should have enough talent on the pp to not be I the bottom half of the NHL. Oh Clode dropped Segs from the PP last game too, hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake twice.

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In terms of Soderberg, the thing I've seen out of him that is seriously lacking is a consistent drive to the net. He may need time to adjust his game to NA, but he's still driving to the net more than everyone else on the roster right now. That's really the only reason I included him on my first unit PP.
We must not be watching the same games then because to me he is one of the few I not the only one on this team that's been driving hard to the net.

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Marchand and Horton are two of the better shooters in the NHL. Jagr can shoot and pass. Krecji is a great set up guy. Lucic is the big body in front of the net. Hamilton has done very well on the back end. This team should have enough talent on the pp to not be I the bottom half of the NHL. Oh Clode dropped Segs from the PP last game too, hopefully he doesn't make the same mistake twice.
Horton is a good shooter, but he takes longer than the 2nd coming of Christ to get his shot off, it is almost like an old musket, load, pack, ram, ect. . . . oops too late someone has already stolen the puck from you.

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I guess I don't agree regarding the notion that the Bruins lack offensive talent in the forward ranks. They aren't loaded with talent, but they certainly have it: Seguin, Marchand, Bergeron, and now Jagr. Jury is still out wrt Soderberg, but presumably he will produce once he's acclimated to North American hockey play.

I do agree it's not the system, unless this constant reliance on the point is part of the system, as opposed to a by-product of the poor execution.

It's this poor execution which I think is the problem. I thought Andy Brickley commented on it specifically a game or two ago when, during the power play, Jagr had the puck and was looking for someone to make a play with. Everyone was standing around and not creating any passing lanes. Brick spoke directly to this in real time!

To me, there are problems with poor decision making when in possession of the puck and too much standing around. Because of the rushed nature the puck is constantly pushed to the point, which is more or less a guaranteed shot resulting in a turnover.

Until the PP units begin to function better with improved puck protection, less rushing, improved decision making, less reliance on shots from the point, and more movement, nothing is going to improve. These are not issues related to just the forwards.
Exactly.

Its almost incomprehensible how poor the execution is when on the PP. Even if a guy is having a great game, the power play will turn him into Hank Nowak. Seems like its in everyone's head.

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We must not be watching the same games then because to me he is one of the few I not the only one on this team that's been driving hard to the net.
LSCII's post was awkwardly worded causing you to misinterpret what he was saying, I had to re-read him a few times to be sure.... he is saying the same as what you are saying, that Soderberg is driving to the net, which is something that the rest of the team has been lacking

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After watching Ottawa a couple nights ago the the guys calling the game had a great point and they had the answer to the Bruin's problems. Ottawa (Coach McClean) from there defense out will move the puck as quick as possible out of their zone. Either a breakout to the center man or up the boards to a winger or eve up the middle. The Bruins and their infamous D to D the forwards are on the move but the defense is stationary. Other teams counter this on the Bruins with two man for check. Take look oh and the B's play Ottawa Sunday watch their system.

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BTW...Erik Karlsson might play tomorrow.

...WOW!

That Karlson guy really sucked last night,hu!?

For discussion purposes, I do not think Ottawa is as much of a pushover as most feel.

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The sad thing about that statement is that it seems for the majority here, even if they do it still won't be good enough. All you have to do is look through GDT's from the cup run and you'll see what I mean.
I wasnt one of them although the cup run did seem to come out of the blue. That team seemed a lot more confident then this team, which is basicaly the same team.

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That Karlson guy really sucked last night,hu!?

For discussion purposes, I do not think Ottawa is as much of a pushover as most feel.
Ottawa and Toronto are not push over. The Rangers underachieved, this year, but they will be dangerous... I can tell you that Montreal doesn't want to play Toronto in the 1st round. That's why they root for the Bruins to lose their last two games.

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I'm with you Hemi... Fan since the first time I watched Orr play in 1970... Over the years I've seen the good and the bad and everything in between (and been a die hard fan through it all). This is a team team that has all the talent in the world, yet is missing something.

Could they turn it around and win it all? My heart says YES, but my brain says not gonna happen...
I feel the same way.

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Really? I've been watching since '88 and probably for about a third of those years, I haven't had confidence in the team to bounce back after a loss. What's so special about this season as compared to last 45?
That really is too bad.

The difference is in those years that you are probably talking about I knew they were bad and had lower expectations for them, as a whole I have always believed in this team.

During those 45 you speak of I believe the B's had a streak of makeing the playoffs for quite a while, forgot how many years?

See this years team I had expected a lot more from them and believe that they should be one of the best in the NHL.

I understand there in second place, but do you really feel like they should be there?

It's not over yet, so still hopeing for the best.

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Ottawa and Toronto are not push over. The Rangers underachieved, this year, but they will be dangerous... I can tell you that Montreal doesn't want to play Toronto in the 1st round. That's why they root for the Bruins to lose their last two games.
The way I see it all of the Northeast is pretty dangerous, excluding naturaly Buffalo.

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Seguin has looked pretty aloof and distracted for a while now; I sure would like to see some more spark from him. Last year he was looking like he wanted to be King of the World...this year, not so much. He needs a little more hunger and drive. His hockeyhead has been in the clouds lately.

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