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Major AHL Shakeup? Abbotsford to NY, Peoria to Abbotsford, STL affiliates w/ Chicago?

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04-22-2013, 09:05 PM
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there's an empty arena sitting in downtown omaha, though it's slated to close in a year.

other than that?

Houston - too expensive
Kansas City - presumably as expensive as houston
Pacific NW - all WHL territory

i cant think of anywhere other than utica or staying in peoria.

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04-22-2013, 10:39 PM
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there's an empty arena sitting in downtown omaha, though it's slated to close in a year.

other than that?

Houston - too expensive
Kansas City - presumably as expensive as houston
Pacific NW - all WHL territory

i cant think of anywhere other than utica or staying in peoria.
Lowell, MA? Former home of the Devils affiliate.

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04-22-2013, 11:00 PM
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http://www.teamradio.ca/news/abbotsf...-next-season/#

More on the Abbotsford situation - the Canucks and City were negotiating, but couldn't get a deal done in time for this upcoming season, according to the City. Reading between the lines, I think the Canucks were trying to get the same deal the Heat had (or one similar), and the City was understandably balking.

Interesting dynamic here -- I wonder if ANY facility would give them a one-year lease... kinda doubt it, so in my mind, this probably leaves the baby Flames in Abbotsford for at least two more seasons. I could be wrong, of course.

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I could see potentially Langley stepping in and having them share the Langley Events Centre with the BCHL Rivermen for one season, with some heavy heavy concessions to the Rivermen for the season.

It's about a 25 min drive from the Abbotsford rink, so who knows.

Could see the same about Chilliwack, but I doubt that City would go for that, it's been through far too much lately with the BCHL to WHL back to BCHL in the last 7 seasons.

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there's an empty arena sitting in downtown omaha, though it's slated to close in a year.

other than that?

Houston - too expensive
Kansas City - presumably as expensive as houston
Pacific NW - all WHL territory

i cant think of anywhere other than utica or staying in peoria.
Really? There has got to be a ton of arenas throughout North America capable of hosting the AHL.

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Really? There has got to be a ton of arenas throughout North America capable of hosting the AHL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._indoor_arenas

Not many choices in the NE US, it's literally just Lowell,MA unless you want to bump another existing hockey team out. Louisville and maybe Wichita and that's it for places bigger than Peoria.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._indoor_arenas

Not many choices in the NE US, it's literally just Lowell,MA unless you want to bump another existing hockey team out. Louisville and maybe Wichita and that's it for places bigger than Peoria.
Look at that list. Some cities much bigger than Peoria without hockey in the arena: Lexington, Baltimore, Indianapolis. Then if you look closer at the list there are tons of smaller cities with arenas.

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Not many choices in the NE US, it's literally just Lowell,MA unless you want to bump another existing hockey team out. Louisville and maybe Wichita and that's it for places bigger than Peoria.
And if memory serves me right UML booted the AHL out after they got control of Tsongas Center so that may be a no-go.

This may be a good chance to think outside the box for markets that can serve as a way station. Baltimore? Richmond? Greensboro? Testing the waters is never a bad thing, look at what it did for the NBA after Katrina hit when OKC got their tryout.

Another idea would be the Key in Seattle. The sightlines would suck but it's worth a shot.

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there's an empty arena sitting in downtown omaha, though it's slated to close in a year.
Bring back the Omaha Ak-Sar-Ben Knights!

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Sioux Falls is an option, I suppose. They were rumored to be runners up to Des Moines before Minnesota went with the Iowa Wild. Has a proven USHL track record as well, so might make for a good one-year option for a fanbase that'd like to see a minor league squad after long having a junior team.

And for only a year, the USHL likely wouldn't be pressured to move out.

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Somewhat lesser point, given the relocations that are happening and could yet happen, but looks like the Connecticut Whale are going back to the Hartford Wolf Pack yet again:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2013...olf-pack-name/

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Somewhat lesser point, given the relocations that are happening and could yet happen, but looks like the Connecticut Whale are going back to the Hartford Wolf Pack yet again:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2013...olf-pack-name/
That's great news for the Canucks farm team. Now they can wear blue and green uniforms like management wants.

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That's great news for the Canucks farm team. Now they can wear blue and green uniforms like management wants.
Considering that teams in the west don't play teams in the east in the AHL until the Calder Cup Finals, somehow doubt that another team in a different conference having that color scheme would've really held them back on the digs their team's wearing.

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I think Peoria deserves another team.

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Is it confirmed that St. Louis is going to affiliate with Chicago?

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Is it confirmed that St. Louis is going to affiliate with Chicago?
No, but it's increasingly looking like the Blues and the Wolves are likely going to be teams without affiliations going into next year, so it might be a marriage of necessity.

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In terms of where the Canucks are going to put the former Rivermen, another venue might be open, and might even be amenable to a one-year contract -- ECHL Trenton is "suspending operations" according to reports, hoping to make it back to the ice in 2014-15... (it's not impossible, but most teams don't make it back after suspension).

So, perhaps the Brooks brothers could think about putting the Phantoms in Trenton for one year while the Allentown arena finishes, leaving Glens Falls open for the Canucks should they so desire.

Or just bypass the middle man and get a one-year (or similar short term) lease for the former Rivermen franchise in Trenton.

Both really longshots, IMO, but we've seen weirder.

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I wonder if the Canucks would consider Glendale if the Coyote's vacate at the end of this season?

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I wonder if the Canucks would consider Glendale if the Coyote's vacate at the end of this season?
Makes a lot of sense to do so. Or at the US Airways arena in downtown Phoenix.

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I'm willing to bet that the AHL can't compete with UNO in Omaha, even with their new conference

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It's officially official.

https://twitter.com/chicago_wolves/s...59225802371072

Wolves and Blues diff affiliation agreement.

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Just heard on Sports Radio that Canucks are looking at Seattle for its AHL team and Key Arena.

Interesting.

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Just heard on Sports Radio that Canucks are looking at Seattle for its AHL team and Key Arena.

Interesting.
Probably heard it from Ian Furness?
  • @IanKJR: Now hearing from a couple of people North of the border that the #Canucks may be looking at the Seattle area for a home for #AHL franchise.
  • @IanKJR: BTW- Tacoma Dome doesn't have an ice plant anymore. Can be fixed. Key Arena is still a bad hockey building. Both seem temp homes
  • @IanKJR: Also important to note- @WHLsilvertips signed lease extension last week. @SeattleTbirds had @ShoWareCenter built specifially for them
  • @IanKJR: Seattle market is good for #Canucks. playoff games on @SportsRadioKJR do well. Hockey market is good.
  • @IanKJR: On a given weekend, @WHLsilvertips and @SeattleTbirds have combined to draw over 14,000 combined same night. Good hockey fans here.
  • @IanKJR: @gee_vancity this is very real. I am surprised at how far along it may be. have heard both buildings, but it has to be Key.
His tweets indicate that the AHL in Seattle would be temporary. My wild guesses/thoughts:
- Canucks would be in Seattle to wait out the Flames for their spot in Abbotsford, thinking it's better to be closer to home than out in Peoria. Eventually they'd love to be in the Fraser Valley, deep in Canuck territory.
- The status of NHL in Seattle may well be more clearly defined (announced potential ownership groups and agreements with Hansen arena group, etc) or in actual motion by the time Calgary decides to leave Abbotsford.
- That puts two AHL clubs in the far west. Heck, some teams that travel out here to play Abbotsford use SeaTac instead of YVR, adding an hour to their bus ride to Abbotsford in order to save on international airfare. I could see teams doing road swings out here where they play Seattle AHL + Heat during the same trip.


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It's a shame they seemingly wouldn't be able to play in Kent or Everett. Nice buildings that were actually designed for hockey.

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What about Victoria for the team? Junior team there now but bet the Canucks affiliate would fill the place as well and better than other events.

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