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04-24-2013, 11:08 PM
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His game is hitting and cycling. He hasn't done a lot of that this year, but he and Nolan playing that role last year down the stretch and in the postseason was huge for us... Plus, he's STILL a rookie. Give the kid a break, Sutter obviously is.

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04-24-2013, 11:18 PM
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**** Derek King. I want Dwight back

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04-24-2013, 11:25 PM
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I think the board would be more accepting of King, if he were a 4LW instead of a 3LW. Having said that, I'm still a bit surprised that some of you guys expect King to be a hitter, a fighter, an agitator. That's just not his game, that's his brother DJ, who's playing for Ontario. In many ways, Dwight is another Penner that can fight when he has to, and Sutter seems to be ok with that.

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04-24-2013, 11:46 PM
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I wouldn't judge him this year. Next year, different story. A lot of players have problems in their second year so that's all this might be.
Adjustment has nothing to do with effort. He spent the entire season coasting, not taking a man and getting turned around like a top. He's been a huge negative all year and the Kings stood pat, assuming players like him would improve on his late season perfomance last year. I'm very disapointed in him.

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If Dwight had the mean streak his brother DJ has or even his BFF Nolan, it would really change his game...he just doesn't have it. He has the size and strength, but he comes off as a gentle giant.
He's complained about his tendons burning when he burns out. Says he's big and his achillies feel like they are going to explode after a tough shift. I don't know if that has anything to do with his lack of perceived effort.

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04-25-2013, 04:03 AM
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He's complained about his tendons burning when he burns out. Says he's big and his achillies feel like they are going to explode after a tough shift. I don't know if that has anything to do with his lack of perceived effort.
What? Where'd you find that?


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04-25-2013, 08:16 AM
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That was during his first call up a couple years ago. ive only been on skates a couple times on my life but Ive heard this before from big guys. I know there is a big dude in my mens basketball league that complains about similiar issues running full court. I dont know if the same issues bother king now, im just trying figure out why King either goes North, south, or stands around.

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04-25-2013, 09:28 AM
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I think he'll be included in an offseason deal (Bernier deal???)

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04-25-2013, 09:38 AM
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if we didn't have him we would be looking for a bottom six like him, since we do have him we want more from him.
Out top six is what needs to get going. Carter cannot do it all. What the hell happend to Williams

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04-25-2013, 09:48 AM
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Yea he's a bit too north south on the third line. Guy seems like a fourth liner at best. But his line is successful for their roles as a unit, on a very good hockey team, so I'm cool with the coaching staffs view of him. Clifford, Pearson, Andreoff; all are guys who will challenge for third line roles in next years camp. I think King is on the fringes for a bottom six role after this year (as is Fraser IMO), but his minutes are safe for now.

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04-25-2013, 12:06 PM
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Moving on from Kopitar as the weekly whipping boy?

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04-25-2013, 12:45 PM
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To me DKing is what he was projected to be. An acceptable utility forward with the ability to pop in a few goals here and there and use his in the corners. He will never be a go to guy but he is good enough to play in the bottom 6 on most teams in the NHL.

That's what I said about him over a year ago and he remains the same player today to me. He is struggling a little bit for certain but I think it is more an issue of managing our expectations of DK then one of him not doing his job.

He is getting ice time that is in accordance with his abilities right now. If he ever developed any sort of a mean streak he would be 100% more valuable to us and certainly solidify himself as a 3rd liner. I don't know if that is going to happen but either way, he is useful to have around and if he ends up moving along he can be replaced.

Utility bottom 6 forward.

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04-25-2013, 01:07 PM
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Kings is a guy who has to keep his feet moving to be effective, just like Penner.

May be another guy that needs to address his fitness level this off season.

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04-25-2013, 01:43 PM
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I'm not sure if "useless" is fair but he's not especially proficient in any area. Average-ish skater, just enough hands not to be lost with the puck, good size but not super pound-for-pound strength, etc.

I do think more meaningful shifts from the fourth line would help the Kings, grinding ones that get some offensive zone time. I don't see King's job being in jeopardy, but I always know Sutter won't hesitate to pull the trigger on a change low in the lineup if the team needs a spark.

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04-25-2013, 01:49 PM
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Willing to give him another year to see if he can play in this league. He can be one of the tougher fore checking players on the team, as we saw in his cycle game and puck protection skills down low and along the boards. This season we haven't seen that as much, however, I'm not quite as eager to get rid of him immediately as some of you are ready to do.

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04-25-2013, 05:37 PM
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King is no more than a depth forward. He elevated his play during our Cup run and certainly has slacked off this regular season. If he doesn't turn it up this Cup repeat run, then certainly other people can step in.

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04-25-2013, 05:57 PM
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There are so many players that tore it up in junior and realized when they finally made it to the show they had to change there game to agitator, fighter, checker...etc...

King should be one of those guys...he should know that with his size he should meaner and tougher, even if it is not his personality, that he should he play like that to stay in this league.

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04-25-2013, 06:16 PM
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King should be one of those guys...he should know that with his size he should meaner and tougher, even if it is not his personality, that he should he play like that to stay in this league.
Truer words have never been spoken.

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04-25-2013, 06:45 PM
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I, as well as all of you, have seen with our own two eyes, what King is capable of. So the question that should be asked is why is he not playing that way on a regular basis?......Coaching? Heart? WTF?

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04-25-2013, 06:51 PM
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I, as well as all of you, have seen with our own two eyes, what King is capable of. So the question that should be asked is why is he not playing that way on a regular basis?......Coaching? Heart? WTF?
Was he playing as his potential or just played over his head for a few series?

I stand by my opinion if he can't cycle the puck he's just taking up a spot spot next year

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04-25-2013, 07:23 PM
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Was he playing as his potential or just played over his head for a few series?

I stand by my opinion if he can't cycle the puck he's just taking up a spot spot next year
He played well for more than just the playoffs. If I remember right he was really solid for a few weeks going into the playoffs. This year he played more like he did during his first call up the year before when most of us were certain he was a dog and had no future in the NHL. When he first came up the puck was cycled and then turned over when the pressure got thick. He had difficulty receiving passes due to his hands. This year he had some of these issues but not quite as bad. The worst part was just the standing still and getting turned around. That seems like laziness to me.

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I think he also got married and had a kid during the lockout, so who knows how prepared he was in terms of concentration and conditioning when the season started. Is it excusable? No, it never is, but we've seen how much it affected Quick's play when he had his first child. You don't get to rest as much and your priorities change quite a bit with that.

Maybe a year passed will bring us a wiser Dwight King to camp and he'll show up ready to secure his roster spot in camp. If not, I'm sure Lombardi would easily jettison him elsewhere and find a replacement in the form of say, Kyle Clifford.

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04-26-2013, 02:43 AM
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Kings is a guy who has to keep his feet moving to be effective, just like Penner.

May be another guy that needs to address his fitness level this off season.
More like he needs to learn that keeping the blade of his stick on the ice is a good thing.

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04-26-2013, 01:18 PM
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5 goals in 20 playoffs games put him on pace for a 20 goal season. In the WHL he was a 20-30 goal player two of his 4 years and even scored 24 in the AHL. Disapointing.
Remember that elite scorer Tyson Nash?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=21511

The number of players who pot 20-30 in the WHL, or 20 in the AHL is a large one. But that doesn't mean you have any legit NHL offensive upside. Nash for example scored more goals in one WHL season than he did in his NHL career which spanned 374 games. Guys in junior and the AHL get more minutes with more skilled player, powerplay time, etc, not to mention scoring 20+ goals as a 20 year-old in junior isn't a huge feat considering all of your competition is at most your age and like 90% is younger than you.

Get to the NHL and you are playing 3rd/4th line minutes, no powerplay time (or very little) lesser skilled line mates, much more skilled opposition, etc. To expect the numbers to translate over from juniors or the AHL to the NHL just because he scored in juniors or the AHL is just setting the bar way to high. No one ever said this guy was going to be a goal scorer, he just got hot for the playoffs (really, for like 8 games if I'm not mistaken) and now we are expecting far to much.

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King has great hockey sense. Even though he doesn't have all the tools, I think he's still a great third liner. He's big and it forces the other team to get their heads up.

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