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04-25-2013, 04:55 PM
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NYI - Montreal : Draft picks

The Islanders don't have a 2nd rounder Montreal has 3.

Currently the Islanders sit at 18th, Montreal at 24th

Assuming neither teams makes the ECF or Montreal doesn't win division simple deal

NYI
1st

MON
1st
2nd

If Montreal Wins Division but not ECF

NYI
1st
4th

MON
1st
Calgary 2nd

Montreal makes ECF
NYI
1st

MON
1st
Calgary 2nd

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04-25-2013, 05:01 PM
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No thanks Jeff.

The value is fair but the draft is too deep to be giving up two high picks for one higher pick.

Besides, I don't think Timmins has ever asked to trade up in the 1st round.

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04-25-2013, 05:10 PM
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The Islanders don't have a 2nd rounder Montreal has 3.

Currently the Islanders sit at 18th, Montreal at 24th

Assuming neither teams makes the ECF or Montreal doesn't win division simple deal

NYI
1st

MON
1st
2nd

If Montreal Wins Division but not ECF

NYI
1st
4th

MON
1st
Calgary 2nd

Montreal makes ECF
NYI
1st

MON
1st
Calgary 2nd
I like taking BPA. Unless the isles feel their 1st round choice, will be available at Montreal's spot, I don't see the reason for this.

Grab 2 lower picks, while missing out on your first choice?

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I mean, I wouldn't mind it but the Islanders don't need more prospects. If the guy they like is available where they are they'll just take him. Garth doesn't care about what spot it is.

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The NYI pick would be around 19-21, MON about 21-26 depending on if they win the division.

a fair value flip would be a mid to late 2nd rounder. This would help Montreal if they want to move up.

As other threads have said if Montreal wants to move up to 10-14 they will need to do 2 trades to do that. This would be the first one.

I dont recall other than CGY and MON own pick would the other 2nd rounder is from.

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No thanks Jeff.

The value is fair but the draft is too deep to be giving up two high picks for one higher pick.

Besides, I don't think Timmins has ever asked to trade up in the 1st round.
I'm not sure about who was asking whom but we traded up to get Tinordi and I doubt it would of happened without Timmins really liking Tinordi. In the last draft I heard rumours that we wanted to move up to get either Teuvo or Collberg.

I'm open to either trading up or down, depending if it's worth our while and who is on the board.

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Montreal should get Timmins as many picks as possible. That is their strenght...Timmins seems to have a knack at finding late round gems. I'd even consider dealing Gionta for 3rd round pick and give his contract space to a Clackson type.

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No point here for the Islanders. Prospect pool is packed as it is, and I'd rather the BPA. A team like New Jersey though could use the extra picks seeing as they need to forfeit their pick either next or this year.

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No thanks Jeff.

The value is fair but the draft is too deep to be giving up two high picks for one higher pick.

Besides, I don't think Timmins has ever asked to trade up in the 1st round.
I remember him trading up for Tinordi. Was pretty costly too...

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I remember him trading up for Tinordi. Was pretty costly too...
Pretty high chance we would have taken Bournival with our late second. We traded Ryan O'bust for him in the end. In the end we got both the players we wanted.

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I remember him trading up for Tinordi. Was pretty costly too...
They supposedly tried pretty hard to trade up for McDonagh too (but ended up getting him anyway) and maybe a few other times that didn't pan out.

So I don't think it's at all a strategy that the Habs would avoid. But you really can't predict until draft day, so I don't see any real point in a trade proposal about it now. Obviously if they did do it, it would only be on the draft floor.

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I thought Snow traded a Conditional 2nd for Thomas, the condition being that if he played one game this season Boston would get the pick, but if not nothing would happen.

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I thought Snow traded a Conditional 2nd for Thomas, the condition being that if he played one game this season Boston would get the pick, but if not nothing would happen.
2nd rounder was traded to Anaheim for Lubo. Thomas pick was 2014.

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I thought Snow traded a Conditional 2nd for Thomas, the condition being that if he played one game this season Boston would get the pick, but if not nothing would happen.
The press in both Boston and NY pointed out, that the TT trade was a cap space trade for each team, that Boston was very unlikely to be getting that pick. Snow reportedly is saying he's not tolling TT's contract.

That trade doesn't really compare, to trading up or down in the draft.

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Teams trade up or down for specific reasons. They either really like a player or the player they liked has been taken off the board. Fans like the "higher is better" thing, but it doesn't really work that way.

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Habs prospect depth/quality isn't too good outside of the NHL/AHL. I think they'd be better off getting more top 60 picks than trading them away.

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I remember him trading up for Tinordi. Was pretty costly too...
That was a different regime

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Not terrible, but the Islanders don't need more prospects. Montreal could actually use the prospects they'll get with their first and Calgary/Nashville's first.

If you don't include the Islanders 1st round pick this year, but include Montreal's 4 top 60 the Islanders pool will still be better, so they're not the ones in need of prospects.

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Not terrible, but the Islanders don't need more prospects.
Having a good prospect pool gives a team some leverage at trade deadlines of if a team is trying to trade a player at the draft to free up cap space.

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Having a good prospect pool gives a team some leverage at trade deadlines of if a team is trying to trade a player at the draft to free up cap space.
True, but the Islanders already have one of the better prospect pools.

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That was a different regime
Still not a bad move, despite who Timmins had to answer to.

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I would trade our 1st and our 2nd(not Nashville or Calgary) for the Islanders 1st.

We still have 2 3rds after that.

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The difference between 18th and 24th is not worth it in this deep draft. There will be excellent players right through. I think you have a drop off around 4 and then one around 8. After that you have a pile of very skilled project players.

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Habs prospect depth/quality isn't too good outside of the NHL/AHL. I think they'd be better off getting more top 60 picks than trading them away.
It depends on the quality of the prospects. Timmins is very good at finding NHL depth, so the more early round picks the better. But if there's a chance to get someone with the NYI pick who happens to be very high on Timmins' list, and NYI is proposing one of those deals, then you can take it. Ultimately the measure of a successful draft is not how many picks you make, but who you pick.

If the Habs have the 24th, 37th, 39th (etc) picks, it's pretty likely that the players they end up picking at those spots won't be ranked 24th, 37th, 39th (etc) on the Habs' draft list. At least some of them will be ranked higher on the Habs list than their actual draft position. With 30 scouting staffs and the vagaries of projecting the development of adolescents, I think it's just how the draft usually goes for all teams.

In this type of deep draft, it's possible that a player who sits at 9th (say) on Timmins list could still be available when the NYI pick around 18th. If you have a chance to take a top 10 prospect, in the opinion of your staff, then as GM I would prefer to have that prospect over two others who could be anywhere from 20 to 45 on the draft list, especially if you still have 4 other picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Anyway, this is all Saturday morning speculation, and as Blind Gardien said, you just can't know until draft day.

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In this type of deep draft, it's possible that a player who sits at 9th (say) on Timmins list could still be available when the NYI pick around 18th.
This is why these type of deals are draft day decisions based who has and who hasn't been drafted. If you're NYI at 18 and you LOVE Timmins, are you gonna wait until 18 and hope he gets to you, or do you see him still available at 14 and make a deal to move up? Does the team at 14 know that their favorite player will be available at 18? That's what these deals are based on, not "higher is better" fan stuff.

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