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04-26-2013, 02:45 AM
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Marc Staal to Canes

If the Hurricanes decided to unite all four Staal-brothers in Carolina (which would be pretty awesome ), what would they have to give up to get Marc from New York?

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04-26-2013, 02:46 AM
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04-26-2013, 02:52 AM
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Skinner
Marc isn't gonna come cheap
The Canes may have to wait 3-4 years and sign him as a UFA

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04-26-2013, 02:54 AM
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It would probably take skinner like the above poster said

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Skinner for Staal wouldn't happen. Rangers have an abundance of left wingers and almost no right wingers. Also, the Rangers defense has been mediocre at best without Staal in the lineup this season. He leaves a big hole in the defensive lineup.

Marc Staal is the Rangers' best defenseman, there's no way he's moved unless there's an overpayment, which Skinner isn't. This isn't fantasy hockey, the Rangers don't need to get younger, they're already younger in the lineup than they should be.

A defenseman like Michael Del Zotto would probably be available alot sooner than Marc Staal. Del Zotto is talented, but flawed, so he isn't untouchable in the same regard as Staal is.

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04-26-2013, 04:46 AM
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Skinner for Staal wouldn't happen. Rangers have an abundance of left wingers and almost no right wingers. Also, the Rangers defense has been mediocre at best without Staal in the lineup this season. He leaves a big hole in the defensive lineup.

Marc Staal is the Rangers' best defenseman, there's no way he's moved unless there's an overpayment, which Skinner isn't. This isn't fantasy hockey, the Rangers don't need to get younger, they're already younger in the lineup than they should be.

A defenseman like Michael Del Zotto would probably be available alot sooner than Marc Staal. Del Zotto is talented, but flawed, so he isn't untouchable in the same regard as Staal is.
Nash has proven time and again he's better suited for RW duty. Callahan also plays RW, as well does Zuccs

We have Clowe at LW and if a deal to get Skinner was made, he would slot in as the teams top LW.

We do NOT have an abundance of LW'ers.

not true at all

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Nash has proven time and again he's better suited for RW duty. Callahan also plays RW, as well does Zuccs

We have Clowe at LW and if a deal to get Skinner was made, he would slot in as the teams top LW.

We do NOT have an abundance of LW'ers.

not true at all
Well sure, maybe the overabundance of LW's isn't as glaring if you consider that Nash might be better at RW. However, it doesn't matter. Trading Staal for Skinner would turn the Rangers into a worse team, it isn't happening. Skinner isn't fit for playing hockey the way Torts will require of him and the defense would be downright mediocre without Staal, as it has been with him gone.

If Staal is to be traded for an upgrade up front, it would be for a player that would fit right into Tort's system, not someone you hope would make room for himself there. Physical, good skater and solid two-way play. Is Skinner that kind of player? How the hell does someone manage to get a -20(!) in 41 games?


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04-26-2013, 08:05 AM
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Well sure, maybe the overabundance of LW's isn't as glaring if you consider that Nash might be better at RW. However, it doesn't matter. Trading Staal for Skinner would turn the Rangers into a worse team, it isn't happening. Skinner isn't fit for playing hockey the way Torts will require of him and the defense would be downright mediocre without Staal, as it has been with him gone.

If Staal is to be traded for an upgrade up front, it would be for a player that would fit right into Tort's system, not someone you hope would make room for himself there. Physical, good skater and solid two-way play. Is Skinner that kind of player? How the hell does someone manage to get a -20(!) in 41 games?
The second bit is the tree to bark up. Skinner doesn't play how we'd want him to. The only player that does n the Canes would be someone like Tuomo Ruutu but you're never going to see Staal moved for him.

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Marc isn't gonna come cheap
The Canes may have to wait 3-4 years and sign him as a UFA
2 years..

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Carolina's 1st this year would have to be in play if we trade Staal.

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I would think that since Marc hasn't even come back from his eye injury his value is at an all time low. Doubt anyone would want to give up a lot of value for him until he proves he is 100% better.

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Carolina's 1st this year would have to be in play if we trade Staal.
I think it would be, just like it was in the Jordan Staal trade.

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I would think that since Marc hasn't even come back from his eye injury his value is at an all time low. Doubt anyone would want to give up a lot of value for him until he proves he is 100% better.
Fine by me. He'll prove it starting next week, when he returns.

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I would think that since Marc hasn't even come back from his eye injury his value is at an all time low. Doubt anyone would want to give up a lot of value for him until he proves he is 100% better.
Wasn't that serious. If it were you wouldn't see him practicing with the team 6 weeks after the incident. His value hasn't wiggled much. Team doctors wouldn't let him participate if he was at risk.

Your attempt at lowering his value on Hfboards has failed.

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On the one hand, the only reason the Rangers would trade Marc is if he reveals that his number one desire is to play with his brothers in Carolina. Otherwise, it will take overpayment for a very good defenseman.

On the other hand, if Marc reveals that he wants to play with his brothers, than why would Carolina trade for him? They'll just get him in 2 years in FA. And if push comes to shove, they'll give a cupcake offer just to beat the teams that are offering for Marc as a rental.

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Something focused on Skinner or
at least Carolina's first this year + prospects.

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On the one hand, the only reason the Rangers would trade Marc is if he reveals that his number one desire is to play with his brothers in Carolina. Otherwise, it will take overpayment for a very good defenseman.

On the other hand, if Marc reveals that he wants to play with his brothers, than why would Carolina trade for him? They'll just get him in 2 years in FA. And if push comes to shove, they'll give a cupcake offer just to beat the teams that are offering for Marc as a rental.
Marc saying he wants to play with his brothers may have little bearing on, say, waiting an extra year and having Eric come to NYC.

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2 years..
Would Carolina be prepared to offer him a 5M~ contract for the next half decade after two more seasons, if he hits free-agency? If Marc doesn't re-up in NY, do you know how many stupid offers are going to come his way?

Look, there's a damn good chance Staal's already decided his career will be with Carolina. But a lot has to happen if this pipe-dream is going to come to reality. People need to stop neglecting all the different gears in motion that can and will impact where Marc will be playing in 2015.

What we do know is he's stated numerous times how much he loves playing in NY. We do know that NY is a prime destination for not just hockey players, but professional athletes in general. He's a leader on this team, evidenced by the A on his sweater and the role he plays and has been playing. He's a home-grown player to boot.

There's a very good chance that staying in NYC is Marc's 1st choice. There's a very good chance that the Canes will not be able to meet Marc's contract demand. There's a good chance that he gets a monster contract offer as a free-agent and decides to not re-sign in NY or go play with his brothers. There's so many possibilities that are being ignored by the "zomg marc's definitely going to play with his bros" posse of teenyboppers here, it's ridiculous.

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A defenseman like Michael Del Zotto would probably be available alot sooner than Marc Staal. Del Zotto is talented, but flawed, so he isn't untouchable in the same regard as Staal is.

Del Zotto isn't "flawed." He's 22. If you'll recall, when Marc Staal was 22, he was struggling to put together his offense and defense and be consistent. He finally started doing that this season (though in fairness, without the concussion, I think he would have done it last year). Del Zotto is every bit as untouchable as Staal--frankly, MDZ at 22 is better than Staal was at 22.

Neither player is available for anything the Canes would be willing to give up.

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Marc saying he wants to play with his brothers may have little bearing on, say, waiting an extra year and having Eric come to NYC.
Unless Jordan has a falling out with Eric I doubt that happens... when Jordan signed with Carolina he said his main reasoning was so he could play with Eric... Jordan signs for 10 years and Eric walks... not going to happen

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Skinner and a mid pick for Staal and something.

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Marc saying he wants to play with his brothers may have little bearing on, say, waiting an extra year and having Eric come to NYC.
Eric seem to be well settled and happy in Raleigh. They pay him like he is Ovechkin or something and they collect all his brothers for him. He has his name on the Cup already (just like Jordan). On the incentive to move scale among Staals, Eric's pretty much marking the ZERO.

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Wasn't that serious. If it were you wouldn't see him practicing with the team 6 weeks after the incident. His value hasn't wiggled much. Team doctors wouldn't let him participate if he was at risk.

Your attempt at lowering his value on Hfboards has failed.
His injury wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it was still serious. He has been out for 6 weeks like you just said and he still hasn't played a game. His vision isn't at 100% yet and it's not clear if it will ever be. He could make a full recovery, but until he does there is still some concern around his health, which does lower his trade value.

Your attempt at convincing me his injury shouldn't be a concern has failed.

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His injury wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it was still serious. He has been out for 6 weeks like you just said and he still hasn't played a game. His vision isn't at 100% yet and it's not clear if it will ever be. He could make a full recovery, but until he does there is still some concern around his health, which does lower his trade value.

Your attempt at convincing me his injury shouldn't be a concern has failed.
No long-term issues with his orbital area. His vision has already improved dramatically. He'll be playing very soon. Let's re-visit this thread in a week and we'll see if Staal's value is still as low as you currently think it is.

Your attempt at making me laugh was successful.

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What we do know is he's stated numerous times how much he loves playing in NY.
Like Jordan in Pittsburgh

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We do know that NY is a prime destination for not just hockey players, but professional athletes in general.
Like Pittsburgh.

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He's a leader on this team, evidenced by the A on his sweater and the role he plays and has been playing. He's a home-grown player to boot.
Like Jordan in Pittsburgh

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Not that I don't agree with your overall point, but your way of "proving" that point is a little off.

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