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04-26-2013, 12:16 PM
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No long-term issues with his orbital area. His vision has already improved dramatically. He'll be playing very soon. Let's re-visit this thread in a week and we'll see if Staal's value is still as low as you currently think it is.

Your attempt at making me laugh was successful.
When did I ever give my opinion on what his value actually was? Oh right, I didn't. All I said was that his value will be lower because of current question marks around his health. Do concussions and eye injuries increase trade value?

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04-26-2013, 12:27 PM
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Like Jordan in Pittsburgh



Like Pittsburgh.



Like Jordan in Pittsburgh

etc.

Not that I don't agree with your overall point, but your way of "proving" that point is a little off.

Comparing apples to oranges. Arguably the biggest reason Jordan left Pittsburgh was because he was stuck behind Crosby and Malkin. Even if he loved Pittsburgh, it was best for his career to move on. Marc is the Rangers' #1 defenseman. He's not being limited by anybody.

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04-26-2013, 12:35 PM
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Like Jordan in Pittsburgh



Like Pittsburgh.



Like Jordan in Pittsburgh

etc.

Not that I don't agree with your overall point, but your way of "proving" that point is a little off.
Oh, my apologies, I didn't realize Marc's fate was linked to Jordan's, despite the very different circumstances they're both in. Well played.

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When did I ever give my opinion on what his value actually was? Oh right, I didn't. All I said was that his value will be lower because of current question marks around his health. Do concussions and eye injuries increase trade value?
If that injury isn't affecting the players performance, then no, it doesn't increase or decrease their value. In Marc's case, I guess we'll wait and see how he responds to his eye injury. I'm confident it won't change anything about his game.

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04-26-2013, 12:49 PM
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Oh, my apologies, I didn't realize Marc's fate was linked to Jordan's, despite the very different circumstances they're both in. Well played.
And if you had said anything about Marc not being limited by others (like Jordan in Pittsburgh) or the fact that Marc still has something to prove in New York (unlike Jordan in Pittsburgh), then I wouldn't have commented.

But instead, you brought up points that were, in fact, completely superficial. Considering (besides Jordan) there have been countless players that state they love the city they're playing in, that have been given some form of leadership, were homegrown players...and still left for another team for a variety of reasons. Most recent one would be Parise.

But like I said, I don't disagree that it's foolish to assume Marc will join Carolina just because his brothers play here. Just disagreed with your way of presenting that case.

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04-26-2013, 12:58 PM
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I don't think it's foolish to think that Marc will eventually wind up a Cane, but to think that he'll go to them cheap just because his brothers are there is retarded. He's never said anything about wanting to leave the Rangers. The Rangers are one of the top organizations in the league. They treat there players as well as anyone. Sure they don't win year in year out, but they've been pretty successful for the last decade and since Marc has been in the league.

Not that Pitt isn't or that Carolina isn't but he doesn't need to leave here or anything.

Also, if the Rangers do opt to trade him to Carolina, he's going to cost a fortune. We have a lot of good d-men, but Staal is far and away the best, when healthy. I know people always consider him a #2 because of his offense but his defense is ridiculously good. Without him, we are not anywhere near the team we can be.

To trade him would be a huge hole to fill. The rangers have invested years in the guy. They have built a defense around him. Much of the reason the team is so defensive minded is because he was one of the first draft picks in this rebuild.

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04-26-2013, 01:51 PM
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If he ends up winning a cup with us, this holds some water, but personally I don't think he leaves us until we win a cup, and then the brothers can play together. Wouldn't that make the most sense? I know if I was Marc, I would want to win a cup first, and then if I still want to, join the Canes.

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04-26-2013, 02:35 PM
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Tlusty, Faulk, and your 2013 1st (most likely a top 10 pick)

It's like you already have the other two yellows, and now you want Marvin Gardens, too?? Gotta overpay for the monopoly

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04-26-2013, 06:30 PM
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Tlusty, Faulk, and your 2013 1st (most likely a top 10 pick)

It's like you already have the other two yellows, and now you want Marvin Gardens, too?? Gotta overpay for the monopoly
LOL, why would the Canes trade Faulk? That's just stupid.

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04-26-2013, 09:39 PM
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LOL, why would the Canes trade Faulk? That's just stupid.
Eirc Staal > Jordan Staal >>>>>>>> Marc Staal (whose defensive prowess is 95% due to his world class goalie.) If not for The King, and his pedigree, Staal would be regarded as a lesser Luke Schenn.

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04-26-2013, 10:02 PM
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How much Lesser than Luke Schenn can you possibly get? Stu Bickel?

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04-26-2013, 11:22 PM
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Eirc Staal > Jordan Staal >>>>>>>> Marc Staal (whose defensive prowess is 95% due to his world class goalie.) If not for The King, and his pedigree, Staal would be regarded as a lesser Luke Schenn.
My God. What a horrific analysis. Literally the worst break down I've ever read on here. You have no idea what you're talking about. Let me guess, Girardi and McDonagh are also only good because of Lundqvist? The defense and Henrik bail each other out all the time, and that especially includes Staal for making key defensive plays. Get real man.

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04-26-2013, 11:24 PM
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You cannot compare offensive minded scorers to 2 way forwards to a solid defender. That is just the most unusual thing to bring up in this thread.

But we've had so many of these threads recently. Rangers want to hold on to Staal for as long as they can. If forced - then we will see how it goes.

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04-26-2013, 11:33 PM
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No. I'm sick of this.

If Marc wants to go to Carolina when he hits free agency, that's his prerogative. Until then you get nothing.

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04-26-2013, 11:45 PM
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Just seems like there's something fundamentally un-competitive about Marc Staal wanting to end up on a perpetually losing team away from the "fishbowl existence" of a big market and signing big retirement contracts to hang out with your 3 other brothers, especially when the two good ones already have Stanley Cups and are probably set to just coast along for the next decade...

Actually, I might be a bit annoyed to be a non Staal Hurricane, I mean, what the heck is Jared even doing in the NHL?

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04-27-2013, 12:02 AM
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Actually, I might be a bit annoyed to be a non Staal Hurricane, I mean, what the heck is Jared even doing in the NHL?
OT, we have literally called up nearly every Checker forward over the course of the season. It was between Staal, Justin Shugg and Jerome Samson.

Factor in that the Checkers start the playoffs on Sat., and we're not going to take their best players.

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04-27-2013, 07:47 AM
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That's just flat out untrue.
Baseball, Football or Hockey

How many significant UFA's choose to sign with either team.

You would expect that with the Steelers storied History both recent and 40 years ago that they would be a desired destination yet they lose more UFA's every year then they lure.

Pirates? Need I say more?

Pens? Iginla chose Pitt in a trade, but he's marginally better in Pitt than he was in Calgary. Kunitz acquired in a trade, Neal acquired in a trade. The only guy that could be considered significant is Paul Martin and calling him significant is a stretch. In fact, he was a 30+ point guy in NJ, he's not touched 30 points in Pitt. On pace this year for 40 points, but shortened season and the injury will have prevented that.

Sorry to derail the thread.

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04-27-2013, 02:47 PM
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Ironically Staal (M) is exactly the kind of player Carolina needs. On the other hand, same with NYR

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04-27-2013, 03:06 PM
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Tlusty, Faulk, and your 2013 1st (most likely a top 10 pick)

It's like you already have the other two yellows, and now you want Marvin Gardens, too?? Gotta overpay for the monopoly
Drop Tlusty or Faulk from that and you'd have a solid offer, although not one I suspect Carolina likes. While I agree it would take an overpayment to get Staal out of New York, yours is simply ridiculous. Marc Staal is good, but let's not push here.

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04-27-2013, 03:50 PM
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Marc Staal's value is nowhere near as high as a lot of Rangers fans are saying. Maybe before his injury, but now his value is like in limbo. No one's going to do anything until they see just how well his eyesight has returned and if it will even ever return 100%. So there's no real solid way of pricing Marc Staal in my opinion right now. Maybe after the post-season if he attempts a return and plays well, or during the offseason, but for now it's kind of pointless trying to find his value.

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CAR's pick this year is a pretty good one, so I would think it to be pretty fair. Maybe add in a prospect and that would do it.

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Marc Staal threads pop up every day

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Marc Staal is the Rangers' best defenseman, there's no way he's moved unless there's an overpayment.
I'd say McDonagh is more of their best defenseman but that's just me

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04-27-2013, 04:27 PM
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I'd say McDonagh is more of their best defenseman but that's just me
I'd agree to that. They're both talented defensemen

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I think something around Skinner would be fair..

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I don't now if Rangers fans are serious about those offers they suggest or are just doing it because they would only trade him for overpayment, because there is no chance Staal is worth Skinner or Faulk, Tlusty and a 1st.

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