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04-25-2013, 09:57 AM
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Each team passing them is basically a saved third round pick (or more) to move up that position on draft day. It also is an incrimental increase in their chances at #1 overall in the lottery. That said, I doubt Calgary can win out, but the Flyers picking up a single point may just happen.

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04-25-2013, 10:59 AM
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Buffalo currently at 9th...

if they lose their final 1 and each of the following will mean they pass Buffalo...

2. Philadelphia 1 pt in final 2 NYI ott
3. Calgary 4 pts in final 2 stl chi


Their best landing spot is 7th.

For Minnesota's pick

MIN 53 21 xxx EDM col
DET 52 20 NASH xxxx dal
CBS 51 17 dal xxxx NASH
DAL 48 20 CBS xxxx DET

For MIN to miss the playoffs:
MIN gets 0 pts, DET gets 2+ pts CBS gets 3+ pts
MIN gets 1 pts DET gets 3+ pts CBS get 4 pts

MIN magic number is 2 pts for clinching.
I don't see Calgary winning out against the Blues and Hawks. I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. I think we're pretty much locked in to 8th-10th in the draft. Proceeding on the assumption that Calgary won't get 4 pts in their final two games:

Best Case

-We lose to NYI
-PHI earns at least one point in their final two games.

We get the 8th pick.

Meh Case

-Philly doesn't pass us in the standings for whatever reason.

We get the 9th pick

Worst Case

-We beat NYI, PHI doesn't earn at least 3 pts in their final two games, and the Devils don't earn at least 2 pts in their final two games.

We get the 10th pick
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The Minnesota pick could be as good as 13th (if they miss the playoffs, and behind the East 9-seed) or as bad as 22nd--this, of course, is pending the conference finalists, but I'll assume for now that they'll come from the division winners for the sake of simplicity. My guess? The Wild win their final two against Edmonton and @Colorado, win the tiebreaker vs SJ at 57 pts (who'll lose in regulation at LAK in their finale), and earn the 6th seed out west (Roy v Pominville in Round 1). Of the non-division winners they'll finish behind LAK (who they cannot catch, because LAK has the ROW tiebreaker on them), St. Louis (who'll get at least 2 pts in their final two games), and Toronto (who should get at least 2 pts in their final two games).

Prediction: Wild pick #21, pending conference finalists.

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04-25-2013, 10:53 PM
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Edm and Cal have lost the last two nights, but Philly won tonight and has one more pt than Buffalo, so Buffalo now sits with the 8th pick. They'll stay there with a reg or OT/SO loss, or a win if Philly wins or loses to Ott in OT/SO.

I think at #8 the best they can hope for is Monahan.

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04-25-2013, 11:16 PM
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The 8th pick is such a disappointment after practically being in the bottom 3 virtually all season.

Only consolation would be if somehow we got lucky and won the lottery. ( who am I kidding, the Sabres never get lucky)

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04-25-2013, 11:21 PM
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God, I get sick of seeing Edmonton tank every year. You've got the damn talent. Build a ****ing team with it.

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04-26-2013, 12:41 AM
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Buffalo currently at 8th...

The lose ot only get 1 pt they clinch 8th. If they win then they need Philadelphia to get at least 1 pt.







For Minnesota's pick

DET 54 21 W xxxx dal
MIN 53 21 xxx EDM col
CBS 53 18 W xxxx NASH


For MIN to miss the playoffs:
MIN gets 0 pts, DET gets 0+ pts CBS gets 1+ pts
MIN gets 1 pts DET gets 1+ pts CBS get 2 pts

MIN magic number is 2 pts for clinching.

Hope Edmonton beats them at home on Friday.

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04-26-2013, 12:44 AM
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The 8th pick is such a disappointment after practically being in the bottom 3 virtually all season.

Only consolation would be if somehow we got lucky and won the lottery. ( who am I kidding, the Sabres never get lucky)

If minnesota misses the playoffs we would have 2 shots at the lottery....

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04-26-2013, 10:20 AM
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The 8th pick is such a disappointment after practically being in the bottom 3 virtually all season.

Only consolation would be if somehow we got lucky and won the lottery. ( who am I kidding, the Sabres never get lucky)
Too bad we were not bottom 3 most of the season, we were around 4-8 most of the year. Calgary, Florida and Colorado were behind us all year. Philly and Tampa were almost always behind us as well.

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04-26-2013, 10:43 AM
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If minnesota misses the playoffs we would have 2 shots at the lottery....
Best case scenario (though extremely unlikely):

Minnesota misses the playoffs and wins the Draft lottery.

Buffalo picks twice in the top 10, with the 1st and 8th overall picks.

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04-26-2013, 11:41 AM
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Best case scenario (though extremely unlikely):

Minnesota misses the playoffs and wins the Draft lottery.

Buffalo picks twice in the top 10, with the 1st and 8th overall picks.
Can't happen. If any team past them (higher finish) wins the lottery, BUF's #8 or #9 pick is pushed back 1 slot to #9 or #10.

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Can't happen. If any team past them (higher finish) wins the lottery, BUF's #8 or #9 pick is pushed back 1 slot to #9 or #10.
OK. Then the best-case scenario is we get picks #1 and #9.

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04-26-2013, 09:10 PM
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Minny down 3-0 in the first. Woot. It's looking like it all comes down to the last game for them against Colorado and for Columbus against Nash. Let's hope the Avs are up to the task of playing spoiler...

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04-26-2013, 09:29 PM
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Minny down 3-0 in the first. Woot. It's looking like it all comes down to the last game for them against Colorado and for Columbus against Nash. Let's hope the Avs are up to the task of playing spoiler...
6-0 now. Can they bounce back from this within 24 hours on the road? Lets go Avs!

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04-26-2013, 09:52 PM
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04-26-2013, 10:03 PM
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wow, Aves play 10 pm game tonight in Phoenix then have to fly home and suit up for a mid afternoon game against Minny?

You'd hope for them to try hard for the hometown fans but seriously that's Scheduling some BS right there.

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Buffalo currently at 9th...

Need Philadelphia to earn at least a pt to move to 8th. They play at Ottawa.






For Minnesota's pick

DET 54 21 W xxxx dal 8pm
MIN 53 21 xxx L col 7pm
CBS 53 18 W xxxx NASH 7:30pm

MIN wins they get a playoff spot.
MIN gets 1 pt..DET needs 1 pt and CBS needs 2 to eliminate them
MIN lose, DET earns a spot, CBS needs to just get 1 pt to eliminate MIN

I wonder if the league will push to move the start times so they start at the saem time for competitive purposes.

If you saw what happened with Winnipeg---during the 2nd intermission they say OTT and NYR get 2 pts thus eliminating them. 3rd period they come out and blow a lead and lose.

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wow, Aves play 10 pm game tonight in Phoenix then have to fly home and suit up for a mid afternoon game against Minny?

You'd hope for them to try hard for the hometown fans but seriously that's Scheduling some BS right there.
This is a non issue. Remember there are time zones.

The local times of the PHX game is 7pm (8pm DEN). The Colorado start time is around 5pm.

PHX to DEN is a 90 min flight, Minneapolis to DEN is about a 2 hr flight.

This is no different than Buffalo playing in Carolina on Saturday then returning to BUF to play on Sunday.

something similar is how some teams played in toronto or Buffalo then went to play in Winnipeg in back to back nights.

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04-27-2013, 02:06 AM
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Buffalo currently at 9th...

Need Philadelphia to earn at least a pt to move to 8th. They play at Ottawa.






For Minnesota's pick

DET 54 21 W xxxx dal 8pm
MIN 53 21 xxx L col 7pm
CBS 53 18 W xxxx NASH 7:30pm

MIN wins they get a playoff spot.
MIN gets 1 pt..DET needs 1 pt and CBS needs 2 to eliminate them
MIN lose, DET earns a spot, CBS needs to just get 1 pt to eliminate MIN

I wonder if the league will push to move the start times so they start at the saem time for competitive purposes.

If you saw what happened with Winnipeg---during the 2nd intermission they say OTT and NYR get 2 pts thus eliminating them. 3rd period they come out and blow a lead and lose.
So Philly does own the tiebreaker with the Sabres? Not all that familiar with tiebreaking procedures for the bottom of the standings, and was literally just wondering if the Flyers getting one point tomorrow would push them behind Buffalo.

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04-27-2013, 02:24 AM
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So Philly does own the tiebreaker with the Sabres? Not all that familiar with tiebreaking procedures for the bottom of the standings, and was literally just wondering if the Flyers getting one point tomorrow would push them behind Buffalo.
Tie breakers are the same everywhere in the standings. If Philly ties us in points, they move ahead by virtue of having more ROW.

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04-27-2013, 04:52 AM
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Wouldn't have minded cheering for the Wild in the playoffs... but potential lottery pick s too good for us.

Also, we need to get the 8th pick and not 9th....

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Tie breakers are the same everywhere in the standings. If Philly ties us in points, they move ahead by virtue of having more ROW.
I think I was tired and had something else in mind when I made that post... don't really know what I meant by tiebreakers near the bottom of the standings. Thanks, though. And go Flyers!

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Rangers handling the Devils 4-0 in the 3rd period. Provided the Rangers hold on, the Minnesota pick can be no worse than 18th (assuming the Wild don't make the conference finals).

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So best case scenario for Buffalo at this point is:
1) Philly earns at least 1 point tonight, moving our pick up to 8th
and either
2A) Columbus wins and Minnesota loses in any manner (regulation/OT/SO)
or
2B) Columbus earns 1 point and Minnesota loses in regulation, thereby missing the playoffs

Y/N?

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04-27-2013, 06:11 PM
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So best case scenario for Buffalo at this point is:
1) Philly earns at least 1 point tonight, moving our pick up to 8th
and either
2A) Columbus wins and Minnesota loses in any manner (regulation/OT/SO)
or
2B) Columbus earns 1 point and Minnesota loses in regulation, thereby missing the playoffs

Y/N?
Correct. Though if Minnesota gets 1 pt, we'd also need Detroit to get at least a point, because the Wild have the tiebreaker on the Red Wings.

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Correct. Though if Minnesota gets 1 pt, we'd also need Detroit to get at least a point, because the Wild have the tiebreaker on the Red Wings.
Ah, yup. Missed that one. Well. Go Wings, Avs, and Jackets!

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