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04-26-2013, 11:26 PM
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says the guy who's picture is of Brian "the ghost" Gionta lol.
Give your head a shake.

If Patches put in half the effort Gio does, he'd be a much better player.

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04-26-2013, 11:31 PM
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Give your head a shake.

If Patches put in half the effort Gio does, he'd be a much better player.
This is BS... both Patches and Gio always give their 100%.

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04-26-2013, 11:38 PM
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People argued the same science fiction when Kovalev was getting 65 points a season:

"if only he tried every game".
I agree. The whole ''plays 1 game out of 4'' thing about any player has always been pure fantasy.

One thing about Pacioretty that might make a few here unhappy about his play is that he's not been the power forward many want him to become. Not bloodthirsty enough and too concerned with things such as ''skills'' and actually playing hockey effectively.

Disclaimer : I wouldn't mind if Pacioretty were a Lindros like bulldozer but lets not expect players to become what they are not. He's big and strong and uses that size sometimes but doesn't have much of a mean streak. Without being a puss.

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This is BS... both Patches and Gio always give their 100%.
True. And Gorges too. Guys that are the heart of the team but get bashed far more than they deserve.

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04-26-2013, 11:45 PM
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I think that Pacioretty is a guy who trains really hard and takes care of himself outside the rink. I don't think he's a guy who floats and takes games off. So it's not a lack of will, it's not a lack of effort.

I wonder if it could related to the lockout and/or the way Pacioretty trained in preparation for the lockout. Maybe his training and himself are better suited for a long 82 games grind over many months rather 3 months of a condensed schedule.

Just a thought. I could be way off.

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04-26-2013, 11:49 PM
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This is BS... both Patches and Gio always give their 100%.
Gio gives his 100% but he is just not as good.

MaxPac on the other hand, could be a lot, lot better like he has shown before.

I don't remember saying MaxPac was dominant or simply played great after a game very often this season. He was not bad but he could have been a lot better. Gallagher who played on the same line often this season was much more visible with his effort and intensity compared to MP and DD.

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04-27-2013, 12:49 AM
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Give your head a shake.

If Patches put in half the effort Gio does, he'd be a much better player.
ya


but gionta is like uh bad

Bust.

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In elementary school, you get an "A" for effort.

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04-27-2013, 03:41 AM
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In elementary school, you get an "A" for effort.
Apparently MaxPac only gets an ''A'' every 3 games..
If he was giving an ''A'' every game he'd be tied with St-Louis for leading scorer, don't you know this?..

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04-27-2013, 07:15 AM
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ya


but gionta is like uh bad

Bust.
no

Wrong answer.

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This is BS... both Patches and Gio always give their 100%.
If Patches has, he hasn't shown it consistently. He has another level in him, we all know that. I want that intensity back. I hope we'll see it in the playoffs.

Maybe effort was the wrong word. Gionta plays with intensity, always, even when he's not producing. Can't really say the same about Patches this season.


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04-27-2013, 07:27 AM
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Maxpac's numbers are quite good considering his center, Desharnais, has played like crap for most of the year. Maxpac and Gally have had to create scoring chances despite the atrocious play of Desharnais.

Max will be a point a game player when he gets a real NHL center to play with.
starting next year

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04-27-2013, 07:41 AM
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Pacioretty has been doing his job well. I think many are underwhelmed because they are used to continual improvement from him, but he's pretty much in his prime now, it's normal that his play has leveled off. This is the player we're going to have for the next while, and we're lucky to have him.
AGREED , he is streaky and always will be

if the tops out at 65-70 points

its the best contract signed by a team in years lately

in his prime for the whole contract at 4.5

ITS FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES ...EXACTLY WHAT HE IS WORTH

Perry make nearly double , there isn a GM in hockey who would take Perry at twice the money for maybe a touch more production , who will be in decline for 3 years at least in that term

GREAT SIGNING

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If they kept the pace, and we had a full season, we'd have 2 players above 70(Including 1 Dman), two above 60, two above 50(Including 1 dman and a center on a bad year) and I think 4 above 40 (Including 2 rookies.)!!!
Nope, Desharnais paces out at just under 49.

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AGREED , he is streaky and always will be

if the tops out at 65-70 points

its the best contract signed by a team in years lately

in his prime for the whole contract at 4.5

ITS FAIR FOR BOTH SIDES ...EXACTLY WHAT HE IS WORTH

Perry make nearly double , there isn a GM in hockey who would take Perry at twice the money for maybe a touch more production , who will be in decline for 3 years at least in that term

GREAT SIGNING
Different timing.
Corey Perry's current contract is more similar to MaxPac's extension.
He was on a 5year deal at 5.35M/y. I believe that was his first big deal coming out of his ELC. He didn't go through a bridge deal like MaxPac.
During that deal he won awards, scored 50 goals and reached a career high of 98pts.
That's why he got a big extension.
Pretty sure MaxPac will break the bank after his contract if he flirts with the 100pt plateau.

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04-27-2013, 10:25 AM
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If he could just get his aim in check, he'd be scoring more. Sure he needs to get closer to the net, but comparing him to last year, he would get that extra stride to get in front of the D man (never with great puck control, just north south pushing it, like Cole) and would roof it.

I think he works pretty hard, he just has to get that magic back. It's such a small difference in his game, I'm expecting him to ramp it up.

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04-27-2013, 10:49 AM
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Different timing.
Corey Perry's current contract is more similar to MaxPac's extension.
He was on a 5year deal at 5.35M/y. I believe that was his first big deal coming out of his ELC. He didn't go through a bridge deal like MaxPac.
During that deal he won awards, scored 50 goals and reached a career high of 98pts.
That's why he got a big extension.
Pretty sure MaxPac will break the bank after his contract if he flirts with the 100pt plateau.
both Perry and Getz got paid for being front line stars before but now neither has lived up to an 8mil contract the last few years

dont use this lucky shortended year as a base to work with , Anaheim picked the right time to get hot and both had the team by the balls and they caved in

there isnt a hope in hell both are productive til 36 on dumb contracts , Getz is like Mike Richards , their best producing years are behind them

Max is great value and locked up , its like I said before its the Gio contracts at 5 mil for 40-50 points that hurt you

Max isnt a front liner like Toewes , Kopitar , Sedin , etc.... and is paid fairly for a solid top 6 forward .

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Disapponted at his effort, but he's still putting up points so who cares. Both him and desharnais have had disapointing seasons. But then you look at the points total and it's what was to be expected.

So again: who gives a ****

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Disapponted at his effort, but he's still putting up points so who cares. Both him and desharnais have had disapointing seasons. But then you look at the points total and it's what was to be expected.

So again: who gives a ****
Well this is a case of a player getting a lot of points without giving "enough" effort for his team.

Personally, good for him and his stats but from a team standpoint, he could be a lot more implicated for his team.

As much of a DD detractor I am, MaxPac should also help DD in this difficult season by creating space, crashing the net so that DD can play his game a bit more. No doubt Gallagher is a net crasher but he's no last year's Cole. Want it or not but MaxPac needs to take that role too. Sometimes, I don't feel Pacioretty works hard enough for his goals. He just stand there and wait for the perfect pass, while a little guy like Gallagher is the complete opposite, he works really hard for his goals, going to the dirty area, bringing the puck with him and goes head first towards the goalie.

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No he has not. He could be a LOT better and I'm not talking about production here. He got good numbers, good for his personal stats but if you watched all the games this season, you would know that Pacioretty did not play that well. He's weak around the boards, rarely hits, doesn't go to dirty area, make silly pass and doesn't win enough 1 on 1 battle.

Also, just because we can see he is not that good, despite his stats doesn't mean we hate him, you guys should stop playing that hate card and understand what constructive criticism is.

If you think Pacioretty is doing just fine and playing well this season, I'm sorry but you either didn't watch the games or doesn't make the difference between playing well and getting points, because THERE IS a difference.
Pacs is also a playmaker hence he passes more than a pure shooter. Sure he should go to the net more but DD and BG are already doing that. I would like to see DD shoot more

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Pacs is also a playmaker hence he passes more than a pure shooter. Sure he should go to the net more but DD and BG are already doing that. I would like to see DD shoot more
I don't see Paciopretty as a playmaker, like at all. I think he has very little creativity when he has the puck and not a very good passer.

For me, he's simply a sniper.

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I don't see Paciopretty as a playmaker, like at all. I think he has very little creativity when he has the puck and not a very good passer.

For me, he's simply a sniper.
LOL. Voluntary typo?

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Don't kid yourself... Pacioretty is always working hard.

And no, he's not "simply" a sniper. His playmaking skills are very underrated. He was, I think, considered a top 5 playmaker in the 2007 draft.

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both Perry and Getz got paid for being front line stars before but now neither has lived up to an 8mil contract the last few years

dont use this lucky shortended year as a base to work with , Anaheim picked the right time to get hot and both had the team by the balls and they caved in

there isnt a hope in hell both are productive til 36 on dumb contracts , Getz is like Mike Richards , their best producing years are behind them

Max is great value and locked up , its like I said before its the Gio contracts at 5 mil for 40-50 points that hurt you

Max isnt a front liner like Toewes , Kopitar , Sedin , etc.... and is paid fairly for a solid top 6 forward .
I really don't know what you're talking about..

Getzlaf has consistently put up an above ppg pace in 5 over the last 6 years (including this one). He's reached the 90pt mark as well. Last season was a bad year, but that's it.
So I don't see how his best productive years are behind him when he's just 27, nor do I understand the comparison of Richards seeing how he only has 2 seasons of ppg pace. Not at all comparable.

Getzlaf is worth his contract more so than Perry. But still, Perry is a big winger that reached 50 goals just two seasons ago, so ya, he was going to get a huge pay day no matter what.

As I said, if MaxPac scores 50 goals two years from now, he will get a huge amount of money on the UFA market.

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LOL. Voluntary typo?
haha, it wasn't on purpose.. but not a bad idea if he gets too soft and pretty.

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