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04-26-2013, 06:17 PM
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Relax guys, it's time to experiment for the playoff.

I think playoff line would be:

Pax DD Gally
Ryder Plex Gio
Chuck Eller BBQ
Prust Hal Moen



I hope next year we can replace DD and Gio with some big guys (that can score).

Ryder Plek ??
BBQ Eller ??
Pax Chuck Gally
Prust ?? Moen

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04-26-2013, 06:19 PM
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Relax guys, it's time to experiment for the playoff.

I think playoff line would be:

Pax DD Gally
Ryder Plex Gio
Chuck Eller BBQ
Prust Hal Moen



I hope next year we can replace DD and Gio with some big guys (that can score).
That's not experimenting at all lol

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04-26-2013, 06:21 PM
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Relax guys, it's time to experiment for the playoff.

I think playoff line would be:

Pax DD Gally
Ryder Plex Gio
Chuck Eller BBQ
Prust Hal Moen



I hope next year we can replace DD and Gio with some big guys (that can score).

Ryder Plek ??
BBQ Eller ??
Pax Chuck Gally
Prust ?? Moen
Have you ever seen Crosby moved down to the 3rd line for 5 or 6 games just to experiment right before the playoffs began?

Me either.

It was an odd move by Therrien that has resulted in Ryder becoming a non-factor, even though he has been moved back to the top liine.

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04-26-2013, 06:25 PM
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For those that want ryder re-signed, take note that these lulls are part of the package. He can go in stretches where he looks like an elite scorer, and then there's stretches where he doesn't even look nhl material.

At the end of the day, you get a 50ish point player.

I have nothing against Michael Ryder, but I think the money that ryder will get on the market will best be used elsewhere. A physical d-man who can take some load off of tinordi for a couple years, or a physical top 6 forward to take some offensive load off of an aging gionta, and give the top 6 more balance... those are a couple examples to me as money better spent.

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04-26-2013, 06:29 PM
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For those that want ryder re-signed, take note that these lulls are part of the package. He can go in stretches where he looks like an elite scorer, and then there's stretches where he doesn't even look nhl material.

At the end of the day, you get a 50ish point player.

I have nothing against Michael Ryder, but I think the money that ryder will get on the market will best be used elsewhere. A physical d-man who can take some load off of tinordi for a couple years, or a physical top 6 forward to take some offensive load off of an aging gionta, and give the top 6 more balance... those are a couple examples to me as money better spent.
At first, I was all for re-signing Ryder.

Now, I am of the same thought as you with regard to where we spend that money.

Not because of Ryder's skill set. More because of the feeling that Therrien and Ryder have issues with each other. That is not good moving forward for the team.

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Have you ever seen Crosby moved down to the 3rd line for 5 or 6 games just to experiment right before the playoffs began?

Me either.

It was an odd move by Therrien that has resulted in Ryder becoming a non-factor, even though he has been moved back to the top liine.
No, and did you see Derharnais moved to the 3rd line for 5 or 6 games? NO too.

Desharnais >= Crosby

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For those that want ryder re-signed, take note that these lulls are part of the package. He can go in stretches where he looks like an elite scorer, and then there's stretches where he doesn't even look nhl material.

At the end of the day, you get a 50ish point player.

I have nothing against Michael Ryder, but I think the money that ryder will get on the market will best be used elsewhere. A physical d-man who can take some load off of tinordi for a couple years, or a physical top 6 forward to take some offensive load off of an aging gionta, and give the top 6 more balance... those are a couple examples to me as money better spent.
The free agency market doesn't exactly teem with physical top six forwards. Not ones that are any good at least. That might be what you ideally want to spend that cap hit on but I doubt there will be much opportunity to do so. Remember that there a large cadre of NHL executives obsessed with physical play who tend to pay through the nose to get it. This summer expect GMs to trip over themselves to offer absurd amounts of salary and term to get Clarkson and Clowe if they even go to market.

I really doubt there will be a better winger that is realistically availible to sign this summer than Ryder.

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No, and did you see Derharnais moved to the 3rd line for 5 or 6 games? NO too.

Desharnais >= Crosby
Cute.

I would explain the leading goal scorer part but what's the point, eh?

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Regardless of cold streaks (which are pretty normal for goal scorers), Ryder is still a proven 30-goal scorer and the devil we know. I'm not sure what progress we'd be making simply by letting him go. We already have a lot of cap space going into next season so what would be the point?

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At first, I was all for re-signing Ryder.

Now, I am of the same thought as you with regard to where we spend that money.

Not because of Ryder's skill set. More because of the feeling that Therrien and Ryder have issues with each other. That is not good moving forward for the team.
I get the feeling Therrien isnt overly fond of Ryder either. Thats MT's staple move. Move or cut Ryders ice time.

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Cute.

I would explain the leading goal scorer part but what's the point, eh?
Yeah, a guy with 35 points vs a guy with 56 points in less games?

Btw, Gally went to play on the 3rd line too recently.. i guess he got demoted too coz MT doesn't like him?

MT switched the lines because he thinks it's better for the TEAM. Not because of any individual.

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Regardless of cold streaks (which are pretty normal for goal scorers), Ryder is still a proven 30-goal scorer and the devil we know. I'm not sure what progress we'd be making simply by letting him go. We already have a lot of cap space going into next season so what would be the point?
Maybe want to try to promote from within with Kristo or Leblanc? Assuming moving Gionta is off the table we've got Gallagher and Gio as the top 6 RW, depth is nice and all but is Ryder going to sign here to play third line + PP? Is Bergevin going to commit 3-4 years to Ryder because he went on a hot streak(No way Ryder is going to take a 2 year deal without mad overpayment)? I'd be fine with bringing him back and I'd be fine with dealing his rights at the draft. If Ryder backchecked once in a while it would be a no brainer to bring him back, but he's never going to be in the coaches favour if he's not willing to do the little things when he's not scoring.

I'd almost rather offer a 1-2 year deal to Pierre-Marc Bouchard since you know he's going to be injured at least 40% of the year. It would give us depth and allows us to tryout Leblanc, Kristo, Holland etc when he's down. Plus it gives RDS someone to love.

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Maybe want to try to promote from within with Kristo or Leblanc? Assuming moving Gionta is off the table we've got Gallagher and Gio as the top 6 RW, depth is nice and all but is Ryder going to sign here to play third line + PP? Is Bergevin going to commit 3-4 years to Ryder because he went on a hot streak(No way Ryder is going to take a 2 year deal without mad overpayment)? I'd be fine with bringing him back and I'd be fine with dealing his rights at the draft. If Ryder backchecked once in a while it would be a no brainer to bring him back, but he's never going to be in the coaches favour if he's not willing to do the little things when he's not scoring.

I'd almost rather offer a 1-2 year deal to Pierre-Marc Bouchard since you know he's going to be injured at least 40% of the year. It would give us depth and allows us to tryout Leblanc, Kristo, Holland etc when he's down. Plus it gives RDS someone to love.
What's the point of putting an unknown on the team instead of a 30-goal scorer? It only makes us regress. The backcheck comment is kind of out there, since Ryder, while he doesn't excel at it, still plays well enough without the puck. He's no liability, on top of being, at times, an offensive force.

Our call-up list for offense is already paper thin, let's not get to a point where a top 6 player or 2 out for an extended period of time requires us to look for a trade.

I'm all for getting a better player than Ryder, but I'm not sure it's in the cards (without a trade which would cost us futures). Letting him go for the sake of development and cap space just seems really idiotic.

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