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P. Kane for E.Kane + Bogosian

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04-27-2013, 05:02 AM
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wow, Winnipeg is getting ripped off. I'd rather have Evander and Bogo on my team rather than Patrick Kane. Don't get me wrong, P.Kane is a good player but having E.Kane and Bogo is better than P.Kane on any team.

Don't kid yourselves Hawks fans, P.Kane isn't on the same level as Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos or Ovie.

If I was Chicago, I'd take this deal and run.

And Evander Kane isn't at the same level as mike Richards/Shane Doan/Eric staal/insert any borderline elite power forward.

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04-27-2013, 05:22 AM
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All Winnipeg needed this season was better goaltending.

You don't make the playoffs with a goalie that can't sustain a 0.910 save% and they don't have one...

Absolutely no reason to trade E. Kane + Bogosian for P.Kane, I think the Jets lose huge from a value perspective.

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And Evander Kane isn't at the same level as mike Richards/Shane Doan/Eric staal/insert any borderline elite power forward.
Those three don't even play the same type of game so I don't think people will understand what you're trying to get at when you call these guys PWFs. Especially when E.Kane outscored two of them.

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All Winnipeg needed this season was better goaltending.

You don't make the playoffs with a goalie that can't sustain a 0.910 save% and they don't have one...

Absolutely no reason to trade E. Kane + Bogosian for P.Kane, I think the Jets lose huge from a value perspective.
All? Have you seen our forward depth? It's atrocious. We have one line, E.Kane, a couple 3rd liners, and a couple of 4th liners.

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I really don't see either team doing this

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04-27-2013, 09:11 AM
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Like Kane would waive his NTC to go to Winnipeg.

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04-27-2013, 09:44 AM
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And Evander Kane isn't at the same level as mike Richards/Shane Doan/Eric staal/insert any borderline elite power forward.
But he's ahead of where both those players were at 21.

Pat Kane is a great player. He is not worth a 21 year old 30 goal power forward and a 22 year old top pairing 25 minute a night defencemen.

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04-27-2013, 09:52 AM
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You don't trade Hart candidates. There's nothing that Winnipeg could package to get Patrick Kane.

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No way Winnipeg does this, Chicago would have to add a top 4 D man

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04-27-2013, 09:58 AM
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E. Kane and Bogo are quality players, but not on the same level as P.Kane. Quality for quantity is a losing proposition.

There's an unwritten rule to never trade the best player in the deal unless circumstances dictate, such as salary cap constraints or team rebuilding.

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04-27-2013, 10:02 AM
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That trade is so bad for Winnipeg. If they traded either Kane OR Bogosian, they should at least be getting back a player in a position of need, ideally center. And that's not touching the value.

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04-27-2013, 10:09 AM
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For the foreseeable future the Blackhawks are trying to win the Cup. Pat Kane is by far the best player in this deal. The team will not trade him for potential no matter how good that potential is.

Winnipeg is trying to build a contending team. Their team should not trade two players with great potential for one player.

This is a no win proposal for both teams.

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Horrible deal for Winnipeg.

No.

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04-27-2013, 10:34 AM
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Absolutely horrible in every way for Winnipeg. Laughable.

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Classic Jet fans and a few others overrating Evander Kane and Bogosian. Patrick Kane all the way. Creates offence out of nothing and makes his teammates much better, unlike the other 2. If Winnipeg GM refused this deal, he's an idiot.

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P. Kane is an insanely talented player but this does more harm to Winnipeg than good. E. Kane, if he continues to develop as he has, will be putting up similar points in the next few seasons and Bogo is turning into a true #1 D-man.

P. Kane is the most valuable trade piece for sure but I would like to see what our Kane can do playing with some real NHL players.

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04-27-2013, 10:55 AM
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Classic Jet fans and a few others overrating Evander Kane and Bogosian. Patrick Kane all the way. Creates offence out of nothing and makes his teammates much better, unlike the other 2. If Winnipeg GM refused this deal, he's an idiot.
Odd that you say that considering your team is the only one I can think of in recent history where trading quantity for quality came back to bite them in the ass really quick.

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Why would Chicago do this? Trading quality for quantity is always a bad idea.

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Classic Jet fans and a few others overrating Evander Kane and Bogosian. Patrick Kane all the way. Creates offence out of nothing and makes his teammates much better, unlike the other 2. If Winnipeg GM refused this deal, he's an idiot.
Hilarious. The only way Cheveldayoff is an idiot is if he accepted a deal like this.

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E Kane is an elite 5v5 goal scoring talent and he plays with 2 with terrible line mates.

Bogosian is our top shut down defender and last year He was 12th in scoring 5v5 pts/60 minutes. last season despite facing the teams best players night in night out as a 21 year old he had the same PPG average as Doughty, Subban, and Seabrook and was stuck on the 2nd PP Unit. This year Bogosian had off season wrist surgery and started a bit slow offensively but by the end of the season he was on a pace that would have him close to a top 30 PPG producer for D men.

These guys were taken 3rd and 4th overall in their draft classes and are our #1 and #2 long term assets and they are developing nicely.

P Kane..... we get it......great player on a great team.

this doesn't make sense for Chicago short term and it doesn't makes sense for Winnipeg long term. P Kane is a big upgrade to our top 6 fwds but the hole Bogosian leaves on our defense right now and in the future is away to big.

Good luck in the playoff Hawks

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P. Kane is an insanely talented player but this does more harm to Winnipeg than good. E. Kane, if he continues to develop as he has, will be putting up similar points in the next few seasons and Bogo is turning into a true #1 D-man.
I seriously doubt that, look at the numbers. Patrick has put up just under a PPG his whole career. Evander hasn't come close to that. Patricks contract also has far better value. Would Evander improve with better linemates? Probably, but we're better off keeping him to find out.

The problem for the Jets is we need an upgrade on the supporting cast, not an upgrade on our top 4 forwards (Ladd, Little, Wheeler, Kane). That's why this trade just doesn't work for us. Instead look for something like a Byfuglien for Simmonds trade. Our only position of strength is at RHD, and Bogosian/Trouba wouldn't be traded.

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All Winnipeg needed this season was better goaltending. You don't make the playoffs with a goalie that can't sustain a 0.910 save% and they don't have one...
False. http://blues.nhl.com/club/stats.htm

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This proposal is terrible. Nothing to see here.

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04-27-2013, 11:32 AM
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That is impressive the blues made it......what a drop off in save% from last year!!!

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Hell no. You think Patrick Kane is going to have more success playing with Miettinen than Evander Kane did? To the Jets P. Kane has no more value than E. Kane and they're certainly not going to add a young top-pairing defenseman to make the swap.
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All while playing with talented playmakers and all around all-stars like Olli Jokinen, Kyle Wellwood and Antti Miettinen! Bust!
Yeah, because Bolland, Kruger, Handzus, Frolik, and a mostly injured Patrick Sharp who forgot how to shoot the puck is soooo much better.

If Kane was up with Toews he'd have at least 10 more points this season, in a tougher conference and a tougher division.


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