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04-27-2013, 12:32 PM
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Komisarek for Jones + some picks/prospects coming Toronto's way makes sense.

Komisarek has only 1 year left at 3.5 in actual salary and could fill a bottom pairing role for Colorado who need help on D. As a team that doesn't spend to the cap they'd get out of a long term deal to Jones and can't afford to just buy him out.

Jones has 3 years @ 4 million per. Toronto could buy him out right away or potentially look to redeal him and retain some salary.

It'd be a similar deal to the Lebda for Lombardi deal with Nashville having to throw in Franson.

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04-27-2013, 12:35 PM
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Shawn Horcoff and Jeff Schultz.

We can afford to keep Smyth, Belanger and Eager on the books. Just waive em all.

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R.J. Umberger i hope ... i like the player ... just not the salary

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04-27-2013, 12:41 PM
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the Habs can only buyout one, so without a doubt it will be Kaberle....
If the new CBA allows for trading before you have to declare which player you are buying out this year, which I believe it does, all teams have more potential buyouts than you might think. They only need to find a dance partner to help out.

For instance, sharks fans concensus for a potential buyout is Adam Burish (3 more years at 1.85 cap hit). We are pretty happy now with all other contracts (now that we traded Zus and Murray, who did not need buying out because both are UFA). Sharks would gladly take on Kaberle, in the above scenario if Habs decided they needed Gionta gone too, if it was part of a larger deal that made spending 4+ million worth while.

Anyone need help with buying out bad contracts? Sharks, and maybe other deep pocket teams could use these buyouts like assets.

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04-27-2013, 12:49 PM
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Possibilities for the Panthers:

Upshall
Kuba
Clemmensen

Would have added Jovo to the list, but he is the captain, and the team really has a lot of respect for him, so Im thinking that next year might be his last. Im pretty sure that Tallon will look at all possibilities for the three mentioned above. Clemmensen could be back since he only has a year left on his deal, but we all would much rather see the Panthers re-sign Theodore, and have him backup Markstrom.
I saw one Panthers beat writer suggest that Florida does not have the money to buy out Jovanovski, which is why they're hoping his hip surgery goes well.

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Brewer or Malone are possibilities in Tampa.
I've heard a couple Lightning beat writers mention both of these possibilities. I think Malone is moveable. Despite all the injuries and the high cap hit, you have to imagine a team lacking size might be willing to take him on (Edmonton, for instance). Brewer is a definite possibility.

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04-27-2013, 12:52 PM
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R.J. Umberger i hope ... i like the player ... just not the salary
The Blue Jackets aren't a cap team. Maybe they trade Umberger and retain salary or take on a not as bad of a contract. But it won't be the Jackets just buying him out.

That is to much wasted cash for that organization.

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04-27-2013, 12:53 PM
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Samuelsson is almost certain to be bought out. After that it's a crapshoot for Detroit. And no, it wont be Bertuzzi, as old and slow as he is, he's still a better option than Abdelkader, and is a beast in the shootout, which we've lost five potential points in this season.

It'd be kinda funny if Minnesota wasn't able to buyout Heatley. They'd be absolutely screwed cap-wise.

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04-27-2013, 01:04 PM
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Malone will be traded to a non-cap team before being bought out.

His cap hit is 4.5 the next 2 years but his actual salary is only 2.5 per.

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Jones has 3 years @ 4 million per. Toronto could buy him out right away or potentially look to redeal him and retain some salary. .
I am pretty sure that you can only amnesty buy out players who were on your team prior to the trade deadline so this wouldn't be beneficial to TOR.

Any Minny fans think Tom Gilbert gets bought out?

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04-27-2013, 01:30 PM
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Don't really see how anyone would want to waste their amnesty buyout on a player who makes less than 2 million. Shouldn't it be saved for expensive, non-deserved contracts?

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Don't really see how anyone would want to waste their amnesty buyout on a player who makes less than 2 million. Shouldn't it be saved for expensive, non-deserved contracts?

It depends on what the cap hit is---not the actual salary.

Briere is a good example. His cap hit is $6M+ but his actual salary is around $2-3M the next 2 years.

The buy out formula is the same....it s just amatter of it showing on the cap or not....

a player making $3M with 2 yrs left who is bought out it would be a $1M per year for 4 years hitting the cap.

If teams have them they will use them.


What I wonder---are these cap buyouts tradeable?

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I am pretty sure that you can only amnesty buy out players who were on your team prior to the trade deadline so this wouldn't be beneficial to TOR.

Any Minny fans think Tom Gilbert gets bought out?
That is the unanswered question....

Can a team trade for a player then buy them out.

This is the Luongo thing. He gets traded to team X alongg with cash + prospects for a 7th round pick. team X buys out luongo...then he resigns with Vancouver at a cheaper rate.

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Before these last few weeks I would've said Brad Richards, but now? Not so sure. The playoffs will tell.
Richards will be bought out at the end of next season whether he returns to 70+ point form or not.

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It should be obvious. I'm mentioning it because some people here seem to have 6-month amnesia and I'm trying to put Grabo's bad season in perspective. Yes, he's having a down year, but to call him a sub-par 2nd line centre with negative value is just absurd.

Your comment about 1.5 overpaid here and there is silly - teams are stacked with players whos contract values either exceed or surrender their actual values. You mean, you don't already know this? You add some, and you subtract some. Is Kadri worth just $1.7m this year? Of course not.

JayBo's making $6m a year - is he a $6m player? Did Calgary get 'negative' value for him?
JBo was still capable of playing top minutes and was clearly stuck in a system lacking offence. Top pairing defenceman remain very rare.

Underwhelming second line centres however are a dime a dozen. Why acquire Grabo when a comparable player on a better contract can be had quite easily.

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even if they buy out Briere, the Flyers are still screwed with the cap. Plus, they'll still have Bryzgalov nonsense to deal with....Timonen's contract is also killing them..not that I mind at all...
If they buy our Brieres, they have ~4-5m (Prongers LTIR)... and already have 13 forwards under contract (that are calculated in capgeeks numbers), and 8 defensmen (excluding Pronger) signed. Both their goalies are signed. The three RFA's that they do need to sign, are all minor players who won't get much of a raise.

So as much as I wish Philly was in serious cap hell... they're not. They honestly don't even need to buy our Briere. They need to clear 1.5m in space (with Prongers LTIR money).

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Horcoff and Smyth are the obvious candidates for Edmonton. However, I seriously doubt that they will buy out Smyth. They've burned enough bridges over the years and he only has 1 year left at a manageable cap hit.

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Komisarek for Jones + some picks/prospects coming Toronto's way makes sense.

Komisarek has only 1 year left at 3.5 in actual salary and could fill a bottom pairing role for Colorado who need help on D. As a team that doesn't spend to the cap they'd get out of a long term deal to Jones and can't afford to just buy him out.

Jones has 3 years @ 4 million per. Toronto could buy him out right away or potentially look to redeal him and retain some salary.

It'd be a similar deal to the Lebda for Lombardi deal with Nashville having to throw in Franson.
We can just buy-out Jones ourselves and we have enough bottom pairing defenders. Don't want Komisarek at all. If we wanted him for free we would have picked him up off of waivers.

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Komisarek for Jones + some picks/prospects coming Toronto's way makes sense.
Sure it might for Toronto but that makes zero sense from Colorado's pov. Why would we want a bottom pairing d which is what we have too many. Jones has somekind of a chance of rebounding and then maybe sent away for a pick or whatever. No one however, will ever want Komisarek's cap hit. He would be bought out by every team in the league. And you want picks and prospects.

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04-27-2013, 04:21 PM
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Sure it might for Toronto but that makes zero sense from Colorado's pov. Why would we want a bottom pairing d which is what we have too many. Jones has somekind of a chance of rebounding and then maybe sent away for a pick or whatever. No one however, will ever want Komisarek's cap hit. He would be bought out by every team in the league. And you want picks and prospects.
Cap hit isn't what matters. It's real dollars and Jones is due a lot more in real dollars then Komisarek is.

Everybody knows Komisarek isn't worth his cap hit of 4.5 next year. But the number your team needs to be concerned with is the 3.5 in real dollars he's due compared to the 3 years at 4 per (12 million) in real dollars Jones is due that he isn't close to being worth.

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I would have to say David Jones. He's been just awful this year. He has never shown enough to get that contract.
But according to Altitude he's a 40 goal scorer

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Goal tending in NJ has sucked this season. Hedberg seems like a good candidate to be bought out.

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kaberle and maybe gionta
Montreal only has one, and its obviously going to be Kaberle.

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Given the circumstances of this offseason most teams trying to shed contracts, I don't think Grabo is tradeable. It's a really bad contract for a subpar second liner. Buying him out would also send the message to Bozak that he's not worth 5+ either. A first line centre is the leafs version of a flyers goalie. Always finding the wrong one.
Grabovski has had an off-year yes but he's still valuable. His prior 2 years were 58 and 51 points. Good for a 2nd line center

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Possibilities for the Panthers:

Upshall
Kuba
Clemmensen

Would have added Jovo to the list, but he is the captain, and the team really has a lot of respect for him, so Im thinking that next year might be his last. Im pretty sure that Tallon will look at all possibilities for the three mentioned above. Clemmensen could be back since he only has a year left on his deal, but we all would much rather see the Panthers re-sign Theodore, and have him backup Markstrom.
Has Upshall been that bad?

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Horcoff and Smyth are the obvious candidates for Edmonton. However, I seriously doubt that they will buy out Smyth. They've burned enough bridges over the years and he only has 1 year left at a manageable cap hit.
They are, but don't see it. Smyth (according to rumor) has been offered a coaching position of some sort next year (which makes sense, he is a good leader and he is pretty much done and should retire) while Horcs is too buddy buddy with the owner and MacT to be let go, plus the Oilers problems with the center position.

He also is now on a value contract, high cap hit, lower salary, so next year he may be flipped. To be honest, other than these two, there really isn't any high salary contracts the Oilers would want to get rid of.

I can see a trade up from the draft, adding a low end prospect and taking a bad contract back with a better draft pick. can also see those 2nd rounders in play for another first and a bad contract as well.

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