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04-26-2013, 01:52 PM
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He has a hard time staying healthy. May be a decent fallaback option if Ryder walks and Plan B, C and E fail.
I agree. He was a decent fallback for the Sens, he could be one for Habs. For sure, even if he's not overly physical, he can't be bullied. Could be usefull.

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Since I consider myself one of the few 'realist' fans on this board and I try not to overreact after a win or a loss, here's what I'd do if I was Marc Bergevin.

Other than a couple players, our team is relatively young and has a lot of potential for the upcoming years. From personal experience as a fan, it's not the first time that I hold this type of optimism, it wasn't too long ago that we had Kostitsyn, Higgins, Komisarek & D'Agostini as our future core. I feel that our management is more aware that this city ain't easy to play in and that we need to keep our players on the right track. We all heard the rumors of what happened back in 2008-2009 with the night life of MTL. We don't want that to happen again... Anyway, Subban is already showing that he can be a Norris type of defenseman. Eller is excelling right now despite playing tough minutes and getting no PP time. Galchenyuk is ahead of a guy like Tyler Seguin already and he's showing that he has the tools to be a franchise center, if he works on getting his wrist shot, he will be a lethal weapon in one or two years. Price has had a sub-par year but he's definitely the type of goalie you build your team around, great puck skills that can be useful on any situation and in any system and amazing technique.

Now onto the more negative side, we have players that are I wouldn't say 'deadwood' but that are declining and at a fast rate too. I'm talking about Gionta, Markov and Desharnais. These players are expandables and they sure have their fair share of haters on this board. I respect the hell out of them but I think it would be very wise to invest mid term and trade them (on Desharnais and Markov's cases) or not re-sign them (in Gionta's case).

First move, buy-out Kaberle, quite logical. Second move, I think that Desharnais is slowly turning into our very own version of last year's whipping boy: Scott Gomez. I mean I'm obviously exagerating a bit here since no one will be Gomez terrible but Desharnais is exactly what's wrong with this team right now and is easily expandable with Eller's emergence and Plekanec playing solid hockey. Desharnais is a true liability defensively, he's too predictable to play against and defenseman are starting to focus on him the same way they started focusing on Gomez before he started being complete garbage, they know he's not a shooter and he's not good enough of a passer like Joe Thornton to take advantage of a surplus of coverage to feed his wingers when they're open. Desharnais doesn't really have any chemistry with anybody else not named Pacioretty and you can't play him with somebody on the small side either or that line becomes ineffective.

I would deal Desharnais to Calgary (who badly needs centers) along with a guy like Pateryn + a fourth round pick for St. Louis' first round pick. In a draft this deep, capitalizing on Feaster's incompetence (like Bergevin did with Nieuwendyk) by helping Calgary fill one of their needs. Plus Desharnais would probably excel in Calgary by getting top minutes on a bottom feeder.

I would trade Markov in the off-season to teams in desperate need for defenseman. (Philly, Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, Carolina, NYI) Markov is too much of a liability defensivly at this stage of his career to be relied upon. Imo, he's too much a headache when it comes to match-ups to be worth in the end. His skating has really taken a hit because of his knee injuries, how many odd man rushes does he cause every game because of a bad pinch? At least 2 or 3, he's become a PP specialist.

I think I might get crucified on this one but I'd deal Markov to Colorado for Steve Downie and a 2nd round pick in 2014. Some people might think I'd be making a huge mistake with this one but Downie is exactly the type of nasty SOB we need on the team. He doesn't take **** from anyone and he's a 20+ goal scorer.

Sign Viktor Stalberg to a 3 year contract worth 8.25 million. - Him and Eller seem to be a perfect fit plus he's a big guy who skates like the wind, questionnable hands at times but our team is full of those...

Sign Boyd Gordon to a 2 year contract at 3.2 million. - Replaces Jeff Halpern. Top guy on faceoffs, great on the PK, is a righty and can chip in occasionally offensively, what more can you ask from your 4th line center. It'd be smart for once to actually determine who our 4th line center should be at the start of the season instead of picking him up halfway through the season...

Trade a 2nd round pick in 2014 and Dalton Thrower for Kevin Bieksa. - The Canucks have to re-sign Tanev who's been surprisingly one of their top defenseman this year. They might buy out Ballard due to his contract but I still see Bieksa as someone that's expandable with Garrison, Tanev, Hamhuis and Edler in their top 4. Bieksa would complete our defense, he's a righty, he's gritty, can clear the front of the net and he's not offensively inept like a Regehr/Scuderi. Good option to have on the second PP wave.

Trade Weber to a team for the best pick you can get at the draft. Re-sign White to a 1 year 500k one way deal. Re-sign Dumont to a 2 year deal 500k one way.



Rene Bourque (3,333,333$) - Tomas Plekanec (5,000,000$) - Brian Gionta (5,000,000$)
Viktor Stalberg (2,750,000$) - Lars Eller (1,325,000$) - Steve Downie (2,650,000$)
Max Pacioretty (4,500,000$) - Alex Galchenyuk (3,225,000$) - Brendan Gallagher (870,000$)
Travis Moen (1,850,000$) - Boyd Gordon (1,600,000$) - Brandon Prust (2,500,000$)
Ryan White (500,000$) & Gabriel Dumont (500,000$)

Jarred Tinordi (1,082,000$) - PK Subban (2,875,000$)
Josh Gorges (3,900,000$) - Kevin Bieksa (4,600,000$)
Alexei Emelin (2,000,000$) - Rafael Diaz (1,225,000$)
Francis Bouillon (1,500,000$)

Carey Price (6,500,000$)
Peter Budaj (1,400,000$)

Total: 60,685,333$

Gives us plenty of $$$ to re-sign PK Subban to a similar deal to what Price got and give Eller a similar contract to what Desharnais got this year. Let Gionta go in the off-season and go for a top RWer UFA in the off-season.

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Desharnais for calgary's first?



You'd be lucky to get their 2014 2nd rounder.

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I wrote St. Louis' first...

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Since I consider myself one of the few 'realist' fans on this board and I try not to overreact after a win or a loss, here's what I'd do if I was Marc Bergevin.

Other than a couple players, our team is relatively young and has a lot of potential for the upcoming years. From personal experience as a fan, it's not the first time that I hold this type of optimism, it wasn't too long ago that we had Kostitsyn, Higgins, Komisarek & D'Agostini as our future core. I feel that our management is more aware that this city ain't easy to play in and that we need to keep our players on the right track. We all heard the rumors of what happened back in 2008-2009 with the night life of MTL. We don't want that to happen again... Anyway, Subban is already showing that he can be a Norris type of defenseman. Eller is excelling right now despite playing tough minutes and getting no PP time. Galchenyuk is ahead of a guy like Tyler Seguin already and he's showing that he has the tools to be a franchise center, if he works on getting his wrist shot, he will be a lethal weapon in one or two years. Price has had a sub-par year but he's definitely the type of goalie you build your team around, great puck skills that can be useful on any situation and in any system and amazing technique.

Now onto the more negative side, we have players that are I wouldn't say 'deadwood' but that are declining and at a fast rate too. I'm talking about Gionta, Markov and Desharnais. These players are expandables and they sure have their fair share of haters on this board. I respect the hell out of them but I think it would be very wise to invest mid term and trade them (on Desharnais and Markov's cases) or not re-sign them (in Gionta's case).

First move, buy-out Kaberle, quite logical. Second move, I think that Desharnais is slowly turning into our very own version of last year's whipping boy: Scott Gomez. I mean I'm obviously exagerating a bit here since no one will be Gomez terrible but Desharnais is exactly what's wrong with this team right now and is easily expandable with Eller's emergence and Plekanec playing solid hockey. Desharnais is a true liability defensively, he's too predictable to play against and defenseman are starting to focus on him the same way they started focusing on Gomez before he started being complete garbage, they know he's not a shooter and he's not good enough of a passer like Joe Thornton to take advantage of a surplus of coverage to feed his wingers when they're open. Desharnais doesn't really have any chemistry with anybody else not named Pacioretty and you can't play him with somebody on the small side either or that line becomes ineffective.

I would deal Desharnais to Calgary (who badly needs centers) along with a guy like Pateryn + a fourth round pick for St. Louis' first round pick. In a draft this deep, capitalizing on Feaster's incompetence (like Bergevin did with Nieuwendyk) by helping Calgary fill one of their needs. Plus Desharnais would probably excel in Calgary by getting top minutes on a bottom feeder.

I would trade Markov in the off-season to teams in desperate need for defenseman. (Philly, Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, Carolina, NYI) Markov is too much of a liability defensivly at this stage of his career to be relied upon. Imo, he's too much a headache when it comes to match-ups to be worth in the end. His skating has really taken a hit because of his knee injuries, how many odd man rushes does he cause every game because of a bad pinch? At least 2 or 3, he's become a PP specialist.

I think I might get crucified on this one but I'd deal Markov to Colorado for Steve Downie and a 2nd round pick in 2014. Some people might think I'd be making a huge mistake with this one but Downie is exactly the type of nasty SOB we need on the team. He doesn't take **** from anyone and he's a 20+ goal scorer.

Sign Viktor Stalberg to a 3 year contract worth 8.25 million. - Him and Eller seem to be a perfect fit plus he's a big guy who skates like the wind, questionnable hands at times but our team is full of those...

Sign Boyd Gordon to a 2 year contract at 3.2 million. - Replaces Jeff Halpern. Top guy on faceoffs, great on the PK, is a righty and can chip in occasionally offensively, what more can you ask from your 4th line center. It'd be smart for once to actually determine who our 4th line center should be at the start of the season instead of picking him up halfway through the season...

Trade a 2nd round pick in 2014 and Dalton Thrower for Kevin Bieksa. - The Canucks have to re-sign Tanev who's been surprisingly one of their top defenseman this year. They might buy out Ballard due to his contract but I still see Bieksa as someone that's expandable with Garrison, Tanev, Hamhuis and Edler in their top 4. Bieksa would complete our defense, he's a righty, he's gritty, can clear the front of the net and he's not offensively inept like a Regehr/Scuderi. Good option to have on the second PP wave.

Trade Weber to a team for the best pick you can get at the draft. Re-sign White to a 1 year 500k one way deal. Re-sign Dumont to a 2 year deal 500k one way.



Rene Bourque (3,333,333$) - Tomas Plekanec (5,000,000$) - Brian Gionta (5,000,000$)
Viktor Stalberg (2,750,000$) - Lars Eller (1,325,000$) - Steve Downie (2,650,000$)
Max Pacioretty (4,500,000$) - Alex Galchenyuk (3,225,000$) - Brendan Gallagher (870,000$)
Travis Moen (1,850,000$) - Boyd Gordon (1,600,000$) - Brandon Prust (2,500,000$)
Ryan White (500,000$) & Gabriel Dumont (500,000$)

Jarred Tinordi (1,082,000$) - PK Subban (2,875,000$)
Josh Gorges (3,900,000$) - Kevin Bieksa (4,600,000$)
Alexei Emelin (2,000,000$) - Rafael Diaz (1,225,000$)
Francis Bouillon (1,500,000$)

Carey Price (6,500,000$)
Peter Budaj (1,400,000$)

Total: 60,685,333$

Gives us plenty of $$$ to re-sign PK Subban to a similar deal to what Price got and give Eller a similar contract to what Desharnais got this year. Let Gionta go in the off-season and go for a top RWer UFA in the off-season.
The first part of your post was making sense. But I am very far to be convinced that both Stalberg and Downie are the right solutions for the Habs. Same with Bieksa and Gordon. None of them is really better than what we already have right now

Nice effort with you very long post, anyway.

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Would anyone be willing to sign Latendresse at a low cost? Just by curiosity, I'm not sure I would do it, but for sure he's big and has good hands.
I wouldn't be opposed

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I wouldn't be opposed of having a Latendresse-Galchenyuk-Gallagher line.

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Id rather have AK back than Gui.

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Since I consider myself one of the few 'realist' fans on this board and I try not to overreact after a win or a loss, here's what I'd do if I was Marc Bergevin.
Oh the irony between this sentence and the rest of your post...

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Oh the irony between this sentence and the rest of your post...
I guess you're not a fan of the fact that I didn't go for the guys that realistically speaking are not gonna be UFAs (Clarkson) or that we won't overpay for (Clowe). IIRC you're not a big fan of Bieksa whenever his name comes up and you didn't like Andrei Kostitsyn when he was here and him & Stalberg are somewhat comparable.

I'd rather suggest fresh ideas instead of going with the good ol' let's toss a ******** of money at the biggest UFA & hope he signs with us. Bieksa brings a dimension that we need but even then I honestly don't think what I wrote would be enough to get him from the Canucks and I think we could do better than what I suggested for Markov but I kept in mind other team's needs and what need on our team. I tried to do something different while not being too irrealistic la NHL 13.

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The Desharnais contract confused me. They were bullish on Subban (which is fine), but then they give Desharnais a 4 year deal after one 60 pt season at 26 years old. They probably projected ahead and figured he'd be that player for the length of his contract, but they couldn't have thought he'd get bigger. The reality is with Desharnais is if he's not overachieving, he's not a useful player.

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Since I consider myself one of the few 'realist' fans on this board and I try not to overreact after a win or a loss, here's what I'd do if I was Marc Bergevin.

Other than a couple players, our team is relatively young and has a lot of potential for the upcoming years. From personal experience as a fan, it's not the first time that I hold this type of optimism, it wasn't too long ago that we had Kostitsyn, Higgins, Komisarek & D'Agostini as our future core. I feel that our management is more aware that this city ain't easy to play in and that we need to keep our players on the right track. We all heard the rumors of what happened back in 2008-2009 with the night life of MTL. We don't want that to happen again... Anyway, Subban is already showing that he can be a Norris type of defenseman. Eller is excelling right now despite playing tough minutes and getting no PP time. Galchenyuk is ahead of a guy like Tyler Seguin already and he's showing that he has the tools to be a franchise center, if he works on getting his wrist shot, he will be a lethal weapon in one or two years. Price has had a sub-par year but he's definitely the type of goalie you build your team around, great puck skills that can be useful on any situation and in any system and amazing technique.

Now onto the more negative side, we have players that are I wouldn't say 'deadwood' but that are declining and at a fast rate too. I'm talking about Gionta, Markov and Desharnais. These players are expandables and they sure have their fair share of haters on this board. I respect the hell out of them but I think it would be very wise to invest mid term and trade them (on Desharnais and Markov's cases) or not re-sign them (in Gionta's case).

First move, buy-out Kaberle, quite logical. Second move, I think that Desharnais is slowly turning into our very own version of last year's whipping boy: Scott Gomez. I mean I'm obviously exagerating a bit here since no one will be Gomez terrible but Desharnais is exactly what's wrong with this team right now and is easily expandable with Eller's emergence and Plekanec playing solid hockey. Desharnais is a true liability defensively, he's too predictable to play against and defenseman are starting to focus on him the same way they started focusing on Gomez before he started being complete garbage, they know he's not a shooter and he's not good enough of a passer like Joe Thornton to take advantage of a surplus of coverage to feed his wingers when they're open. Desharnais doesn't really have any chemistry with anybody else not named Pacioretty and you can't play him with somebody on the small side either or that line becomes ineffective.

I would deal Desharnais to Calgary (who badly needs centers) along with a guy like Pateryn + a fourth round pick for St. Louis' first round pick. In a draft this deep, capitalizing on Feaster's incompetence (like Bergevin did with Nieuwendyk) by helping Calgary fill one of their needs. Plus Desharnais would probably excel in Calgary by getting top minutes on a bottom feeder.

I would trade Markov in the off-season to teams in desperate need for defenseman. (Philly, Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, Carolina, NYI) Markov is too much of a liability defensivly at this stage of his career to be relied upon. Imo, he's too much a headache when it comes to match-ups to be worth in the end. His skating has really taken a hit because of his knee injuries, how many odd man rushes does he cause every game because of a bad pinch? At least 2 or 3, he's become a PP specialist.

I think I might get crucified on this one but I'd deal Markov to Colorado for Steve Downie and a 2nd round pick in 2014. Some people might think I'd be making a huge mistake with this one but Downie is exactly the type of nasty SOB we need on the team. He doesn't take **** from anyone and he's a 20+ goal scorer.

Sign Viktor Stalberg to a 3 year contract worth 8.25 million. - Him and Eller seem to be a perfect fit plus he's a big guy who skates like the wind, questionnable hands at times but our team is full of those...

Sign Boyd Gordon to a 2 year contract at 3.2 million. - Replaces Jeff Halpern. Top guy on faceoffs, great on the PK, is a righty and can chip in occasionally offensively, what more can you ask from your 4th line center. It'd be smart for once to actually determine who our 4th line center should be at the start of the season instead of picking him up halfway through the season...

Trade a 2nd round pick in 2014 and Dalton Thrower for Kevin Bieksa. - The Canucks have to re-sign Tanev who's been surprisingly one of their top defenseman this year. They might buy out Ballard due to his contract but I still see Bieksa as someone that's expandable with Garrison, Tanev, Hamhuis and Edler in their top 4. Bieksa would complete our defense, he's a righty, he's gritty, can clear the front of the net and he's not offensively inept like a Regehr/Scuderi. Good option to have on the second PP wave.

Trade Weber to a team for the best pick you can get at the draft. Re-sign White to a 1 year 500k one way deal. Re-sign Dumont to a 2 year deal 500k one way.



Rene Bourque (3,333,333$) - Tomas Plekanec (5,000,000$) - Brian Gionta (5,000,000$)
Viktor Stalberg (2,750,000$) - Lars Eller (1,325,000$) - Steve Downie (2,650,000$)
Max Pacioretty (4,500,000$) - Alex Galchenyuk (3,225,000$) - Brendan Gallagher (870,000$)
Travis Moen (1,850,000$) - Boyd Gordon (1,600,000$) - Brandon Prust (2,500,000$)
Ryan White (500,000$) & Gabriel Dumont (500,000$)

Jarred Tinordi (1,082,000$) - PK Subban (2,875,000$)
Josh Gorges (3,900,000$) - Kevin Bieksa (4,600,000$)
Alexei Emelin (2,000,000$) - Rafael Diaz (1,225,000$)
Francis Bouillon (1,500,000$)

Carey Price (6,500,000$)
Peter Budaj (1,400,000$)

Total: 60,685,333$

Gives us plenty of $$$ to re-sign PK Subban to a similar deal to what Price got and give Eller a similar contract to what Desharnais got this year. Let Gionta go in the off-season and go for a top RWer UFA in the off-season.
I actually don't mind this but, I'm not sure what type or realism you're subscribing to, those are some big trades. Hadn't thought of a Downie-Markov trade, he'd be a good addition to the team. I don't believe that the Bieksa trade would work out or that White will be back next year. Also, not sure if I'm a big fan of Tinordi starting the year with the Canadiens, he could really use so more time in Hamilton.
Like Stalberg and Downie though.

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I guess you're not a fan of the fact that I didn't go for the guys that realistically speaking are not gonna be UFAs (Clarkson) or that we won't overpay for (Clowe). IIRC you're not a big fan of Bieksa whenever his name comes up and you didn't like Andrei Kostitsyn when he was here and him & Stalberg are somewhat comparable.

I'd rather suggest fresh ideas instead of going with the good ol' let's toss a ******** of money at the biggest UFA & hope he signs with us. Bieksa brings a dimension that we need but even then I honestly don't think what I wrote would be enough to get him from the Canucks and I think we could do better than what I suggested for Markov but I kept in mind other team's needs and what need on our team. I tried to do something different while not being too irrealistic la NHL 13.
I think his objection is with how you labeled yourself as some sort of new "Realist" implying your superiority over the rest and then proceeded to make a bunch of trades that were either unrealistic (desharnais) or completely bone-headed (markov).

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I think his objection is with how you labeled yourself as some sort of new "Realist" implying your superiority over the rest and then proceeded to make a bunch of trades that were either unrealistic (desharnais) or completely bone-headed (markov).
Bingo!

"Realist" but gets rid of a guy who Bergevin just signed to an extension, and switches over a lot of the roster, with very questionable trades. Not my definition of "realist". I'd even say "fits right in with HFBoards reality".

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The Desharnais contract confused me. They were bullish on Subban (which is fine), but then they give Desharnais a 4 year deal after one 60 pt season at 26 years old. They probably projected ahead and figured he'd be that player for the length of his contract, but they couldn't have thought he'd get bigger. The reality is with Desharnais is if he's not overachieving, he's not a useful player.
Getting a 60 point guy signed for a 3.5 mil cap hit is well below market value. Usually those guys get around 5 mil per year.

Not sure where you get this pie in the sky view that he has to overachieve to be useful. He's better than half the 2nd line centers in the NHL right now, on some teams he'd be #1. His current pace is for 17-31-48. 50 point centers are nice assets.

I'd let Galchenyuk play wing another year(and fill it at center when injuries hit) then look at moving DD in the summer of 2014 when teams will have more cash to spend and more cap room, most teams are in a crunch for 13-14 but things will open up after that.

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The Desharnais contract confused me. They were bullish on Subban (which is fine), but then they give Desharnais a 4 year deal after one 60 pt season at 26 years old. They probably projected ahead and figured he'd be that player for the length of his contract, but they couldn't have thought he'd get bigger. The reality is with Desharnais is if he's not overachieving, he's not a useful player.
Can we all relax and wait next season to make a real and final judgment on this player and his new contract ?

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I would trade Markov in the off-season to teams in desperate need for defenseman. (Philly, Dallas, Detroit, Colorado, Carolina, NYI) Markov is too much of a liability defensivly at this stage of his career to be relied upon. Imo, he's too much a headache when it comes to match-ups to be worth in the end. His skating has really taken a hit because of his knee injuries, how many odd man rushes does he cause every game because of a bad pinch? At least 2 or 3, he's become a PP specialist.

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There will be a glut of players available this summer between ufas/buyouts/teams getting under the cap. With the cap dropping $6m, good luck finding a taker for Markov's $5.7m salary.

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i'd be perfectly fine with this team next year:

pacioretty - plekanec - gionta
galchenyuk - eller - gallagher
bourque - desharnais- kristo
prust - gordon - moen
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i'd be perfectly fine with this team next year:

pacioretty - plekanec - gionta
galchenyuk - eller - gallagher
bourque - desharnais- kristo
prust - gordon - moen
leblanc dumont

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Now that's a realistic possibility although I don't even think Gordon is a need at this point with White and Dumont. Also not sure Kristo will be ready for full time in the big league next year so that would be the one spot I could see Bergevin seeking improvement if we don't retain Ryder ( and I don't expect us to).

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i'd be perfectly fine with this team next year:

pacioretty - plekanec - gionta
galchenyuk - eller - gallagher
bourque - desharnais- kristo
prust - gordon - moen
leblanc dumont

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My kids peewee team has more grit than that. Toughen up or go for a lottery pick as this lineup would finish 30th.

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Sorry Chris but do you really think you're a realist with that post? Don't think so. Stalberg is gonna cost 4 mil unless he'll take a cut with a contender.

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Sorry Chris but do you really think you're a realist with that post? Don't think so. Stalberg is gonna cost 4 mil unless he'll take a cut with a contender.
If Stalberg is getting 4 million then let some other team have him. 9g and 14a would not be a 4 million player. Offer 2.5 million per over 4 years.

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My kids peewee team has more grit than that.
grit is soooo overrated.

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Toughen up or go for a lottery pick as this lineup would finish 30th.
this year standings say otherwise. that's, basically, the same roster.

i think kristo could be a decent replacement for ryder. can't wait for the world championship to see what he can do against men. we should remember that kristo is just 1 year younger than maxpac, eller and subban, 2 years older than gallagher, and 4 years older than gallchenyuk. i can see him as a regular next year with decent contribution.

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Now that's a realistic possibility although I don't even think Gordon is a need at this point with White and Dumont. Also not sure Kristo will be ready for full time in the big league next year so that would be the one spot I could see Bergevin seeking improvement if we don't retain Ryder ( and I don't expect us to).
i thing gordon would be a perfect fit for the habs: right handed, 57% fo, 3 min pk toi/g, and 14 pts in phoenix.

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i thing gordon would be a perfect fit for the habs: right handed, 57% fo, 3 min pk toi/g, and 14 pts in phoenix.
You must be a Laffs or Ruins fan as that lineup is sooooo soffffff that Prust would sue for non support. Get Clowe, Clarkson, Bickell, Bieksa to start. Trade DD, Moen, Gionta.

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