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04-27-2013, 05:54 PM
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Well, those are the questions that are going to be asked over and over when the team you put together has played like absolute garbage all year. Of course they played well when it no longer mattered

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04-27-2013, 05:57 PM
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That's been asked 15,000 times already
i know. i would've told them all that i'm not answering that question anymore then if they persisted i would of cursed them out too.

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It looks like today was the tipping point for Homer with the media this year.

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He probably doesn't want to answer because in the end it's Schneider's say not his.

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I would say its a possibility. He's been here for a while now and Homer/Snider haven't really endorsed him when asked about his future.

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I said it in another thread here: I think they're either both back or both fired. Someone's gotta feel the pain for Richards and Carter throwing egg on the faces of the Flyers last year, and this year JVR had a huge year after being deemed not tough enough, while Bobrovsky is doing for Columbus what Snider said we needed in replacing him. For better or worse, someone's going to get bloodied, and Ed Snider's not going to fire himself.

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04-27-2013, 06:37 PM
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I said it in another thread here: I think they're either both back or both fired. Someone's gotta feel the pain for Richards and Carter throwing egg on the faces of the Flyers last year, and this year JVR had a huge year after being deemed not tough enough, while Bobrovsky is doing for Columbus what Snider said we needed in replacing him. For better or worse, someone's going to get bloodied, and Ed Snider's not going to fire himself.
Which is why Laviolette and Holmgren will both be back next season.

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I wish he'd totally lose it and throw a punch at one of those clowns. As if he's going to tell them what he's planning to do before he tells Lavi. There is no point in telling them today that Lavi will be fired after tonight's game.

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04-27-2013, 06:51 PM
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Our team make-up is not Laviolette's fault. That's on Holmgren and Snider.
Our team's ridiculous injury is not Laviolette's fault. That's on nobody but the short season.
Our team's goaltending issue is not Laviolette's fault. Bryzgalov is his own disaster.

So the lack of a PMD, the young roster, the injuries, the short season, and Bryzgalov's implosion cannot be blamed on Laviolette.

What exactly does everyone have on him?

Firing him is an absolutely worthless idea. I've seen better ideas on the trade boards involving Toronto begging for one of our young forwards. If you want to know which, pick a year and a forward...

And good for Holmgren for firing out at the media.





It's about time we got back to blaming the people really responsible: Bryzgalov.

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Our team make-up is not Laviolette's fault. That's on Holmgren and Snider.
Our team's ridiculous injury is not Laviolette's fault. That's on nobody but the short season.
Our team's goaltending issue is not Laviolette's fault. Bryzgalov is his own disaster.

So the lack of a PMD, the young roster, the injuries, the short season, and Bryzgalov's implosion cannot be blamed on Laviolette.

What exactly does everyone have on him?

Firing him is an absolutely worthless idea. I've seen better ideas on the trade boards involving Toronto begging for one of our young forwards. If you want to know which, pick a year and a forward...

And good for Holmgren for firing out at the media.





It's about time we got back to blaming the people really responsible: Bryzgalov.
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Our team make-up is not Laviolette's fault. That's on Holmgren and Snider.
Our team's ridiculous injury is not Laviolette's fault. That's on nobody but the short season.
Our team's goaltending issue is not Laviolette's fault. Bryzgalov is his own disaster.

So the lack of a PMD, the young roster, the injuries, the short season, and Bryzgalov's implosion cannot be blamed on Laviolette.


What exactly does everyone have on him?

Firing him is an absolutely worthless idea. I've seen better ideas on the trade boards involving Toronto begging for one of our young forwards. If you want to know which, pick a year and a forward...

And good for Holmgren for firing out at the media.





It's about time we got back to blaming the people really responsible: Bryzgalov.
In the end it's Homer who gets the players and should bear most of the blame (because Snider won't) but do you honestly think that Lavi doesn't have any kind input on what players come in?

I don't think that's a reason he should be fired though. I would say his mis-handling of certain players, his inability to adapt to the opposing team during games, and just the fact he's been here for a while now and a fresh face would be good for this team is the reasons why I think he should be fired.

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04-27-2013, 07:15 PM
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In the end it's Homer who gets the players and should bare some blame but do you honestly think that Lavi doesn't have any kind input in what players come in?

I don't think that's a reason he should be fired though. I would say his mis-handling of certain players, his inability to adapt to the opposing team during games, and just the fact he's been here for a while now and a fresh face would be good for this team is the reasons why I think he should be fired.
Agree 100 percent.

I think goaltending (Bryz) was a significant reason the flyers sucked this yr but how can you say that he alone is the reason the flyers aren't making the playoffs? Ats laughable when the team has scoed 2 goals or less in like half of he seasons games

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In the end it's Homer who gets the players and should bear most of the blame (because Snider won't) but do you honestly think that Lavi doesn't have any kind input in what players come in?

I don't think that's a reason he should be fired though. I would say his mis-handling of certain players, his inability to adapt to the opposing team during games, and just the fact he's been here for a while now and a fresh face would be good for this team is the reasons why I think he should be fired.
I don't think Laviolette had any input on our goaltending decision or our lack of a PMD.

I think it was pretty evident that was the case when the were articles this past offseason about the organization wanting Laviolette to change up his system, which was obviously working at the time.

Everyone knew what we were getting into defensively with a blueline unit that didn't fit the system. You can't expect a coach to just work around that kind of thing in one offseason.

Bryzgalov's play, however, is inexcusable.

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Our team make-up is not Laviolette's fault. That's on Holmgren and Snider.
Our team's ridiculous injury is not Laviolette's fault. That's on nobody but the short season.
The team played a stupidly over aggressive system until the injuries in March forced Laviolette to change. That is absolutely on him, and is the reason the Flyers missed the playoffs. His awful treatment of Couturier while veterans like Briere kept their ice time and line positions despite playing terribly is another reason he should go.

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The team played a stupidly over aggressive system until the injuries in March forced Laviolette to change. That is absolutely on him, and is the reason the Flyers missed the playoffs. His awful treatment of Couturier while veterans like Briere kept their ice time and line positions despite playing terribly is another reason he should go.
His awful treatment of Couturier? No offense, meng, but Couturier earned those bottom-six minutes of his when he quit scoring. Bad Bounces and all that aside, he couldn't produce, and consequently somebody on this team had to get those minutes. When he started playing better, he got better linemates, and the production followed. Briere... he was just kind of there this season. Thanks to Holmgren!

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His awful treatment of Couturier? No offense, meng, but Couturier earned those bottom-six minutes of his when he quit scoring. Bad Bounces and all that aside, he couldn't produce, and consequently somebody on this team had to get those minutes. When he started playing better, he got better linemates, and the production followed. Briere... he was just kind of there this season. Thanks to Holmgren!
Yes but young players need to be given some slack/the better opportunity to work through their issues. Briere on the other hand was handed crucial minutes (like being the extra attacker in one goal games) even though he didn't deserve it or have a future with the team. This is what mostly bothered me when talking about his handeling of the players. Also this issue with yet another one of his players, it's getting kinda old. Better to just change things up IMO especially when people argue that this team isn't build for his style of play.

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04-28-2013, 08:18 AM
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His awful treatment of Couturier? No offense, meng, but Couturier earned those bottom-six minutes of his when he quit scoring. Bad Bounces and all that aside, he couldn't produce, and consequently somebody on this team had to get those minutes. When he started playing better, he got better linemates, and the production followed. Briere... he was just kind of there this season. Thanks to Holmgren!
How is he going to score given 31% of his starts in the offensive zone. Do you expect him to put the puck in his own net?

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I said it in another thread here: I think they're either both back or both fired. Someone's gotta feel the pain for Richards and Carter throwing egg on the faces of the Flyers last year, and this year JVR had a huge year after being deemed not tough enough, while Bobrovsky is doing for Columbus what Snider said we needed in replacing him. For better or worse, someone's going to get bloodied, and Ed Snider's not going to fire himself.
This, in a nutshell, coupled with the loss of Pronger, is a good summary of why the Flyers had such a ****** shortened season. Seems to me the team was rebuilt to more fit Laviolette's system and, although there may be a brighter future, who wants to gamble on that? I mean, look at it rationally, LA may have another long SC run (although the west will be very tough to come out of), the Leafs made the play-offs for the first time in forever, and Bobrovsky and Columbus came within a hair's breath of making the post season. All ex-Flyers, who either didn't get along with Laviolette (and his dry island) or who Laviolette seemed to have no confidence in, are doing quite well thank you, while the new look Flyers are, well, pretty blah. If Laviolette had much to say in these moves (and I can't believe he didn't), then he's history. Holmgren should be too but my sense is Snider has more loyalty to an old warrior such as Holmgren, so he'll likely stay. There's no loyalty for Laviolette.

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I think Laviolette did a very good job getting this team back on track at the end of the year, despite the crazy injuries, etc. He really adapted his system well to the players he had and found the best lines. I think he deserves to stay for at least the first months of next season to see how he deals with the group next year. We've had a bad season, caused by many factors, but I don't think the coach is one of them.

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I think Laviolette did a very good job getting this team back on track at the end of the year, despite the crazy injuries, etc. He really adapted his system well to the players he had and found the best lines. I think he deserves to stay for at least the first months of next season to see how he deals with the group next year. We've had a bad season, caused by many factors, but I don't think the coach is one of them.
Too little too late IMO. This team only showed up after the games became meaningless

Edit: he also hasn't adjusted to playing teams like the rangers and devils for over a year now

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This, in a nutshell, coupled with the loss of Pronger, is a good summary of why the Flyers had such a ****** shortened season. Seems to me the team was rebuilt to more fit Laviolette's system and, although there may be a brighter future, who wants to gamble on that? I mean, look at it rationally, LA may have another long SC run (although the west will be very tough to come out of), the Leafs made the play-offs for the first time in forever, and Bobrovsky and Columbus came within a hair's breath of making the post season. All ex-Flyers, who either didn't get along with Laviolette (and his dry island) or who Laviolette seemed to have no confidence in, are doing quite well thank you, while the new look Flyers are, well, pretty blah. If Laviolette had much to say in these moves (and I can't believe he didn't), then he's history. Holmgren should be too but my sense is Snider has more loyalty to an old warrior such as Holmgren, so he'll likely stay. There's no loyalty for Laviolette.
I don't blame Lavy for this season, but this is why he needs to go. He has ran too many good players out of town and is ruining the development of Couturier.

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Yes but young players need to be given some slack/the better opportunity to work through their issues. Briere on the other hand was handed crucial minutes (like being the extra attacker in one goal games) even though he didn't deserve it or have a future with the team. This is what mostly bothered me when talking about his handeling of the players. Also this issue with yet another one of his players, it's getting kinda old. Better to just change things up IMO especially when people argue that this team isn't build for his style of play.
The same **** happened under Stevens, and Hitchcock. Knuble and Briere would continuously parade to and from the penalty-box while Upshall or Downie would sit in the dog-house after one ill-timed call (regardless of whether it was deserved or not).

Veterans have always been held to a lower standard than freshmen, and sophomores. And whether you want to believe it or not, it's not an issue unique entirely unto Laviolette. Coaches are in the business of self-preservation, very similar to their players, so they're going to do whatever it takes to make them look good. Briere's track record says he was always the best bet.

And if you're talking about Bryzgalov having an issue with Laviolette, who here is honestly surprised when the class clown doesn't see eye-to-eye with a disciplinarian that preaches work-ethic? Timonen's never had a problem with him. Hartnell's only had a problem when he plays with his head up his ass (putting it bluntly), and Laviolette calls him out on it. The veteran players that do work do fine with the guy.

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I don't blame Lavy for this season, but this is why he needs to go. He has ran too many good players out of town and is ruining the development of Couturier.
The guys that were run out of town were done in by others than Laviolette. Richards and Carter pissed some people off in management and they were dealt.
This dust up between Bryz and Laviolette is a different mess. After last season, Bryz complained that he didn't get enough work. This year he says that he was overworked. That's not on Lavy. Bryz is a major problem and it will get worse going forward since Mason is beating him out of the goalie job. Does anyone want Bryz as a back up? The best thing for the Flyers to do is amnesty his tail out of here and sign/obtain another goalie (Ericksson?) to share the job with Mason.
I do hold Laviolette for messing up this season. His style of play does not fit this squad and he knew that after the Devils' PO series last season. Worst of all it exposes his defensemen to too much physical damage at the hands of other teams hard forechecking. Its not accident that the defensive corps is broken down by the end of a season.

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