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04-27-2013, 01:31 AM
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Hi Bob,

I am not asking would he fit in. I am asking if you would pick him for team Canada? Would he be on the team? Assuming Canada picks the following forwards...

Tavares - Crosby - Nash
Stamkos - Getzlaf - St. Louis
E.Staal - Toews - Hall
Tavares - Bergeron - Giroux


Would you really put Kessel on this team over one of them? I wouldn't.
If you needed to put tavares twice to keep kessel off the team, why not put crosby 4 times to make it even easier?

But since you asked, yes, kessel is on. similar level to most of those players - tavares, st.louis, nash, staal, giroux, bergeron and could easily be selected over any of them, depending on team needs.

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04-27-2013, 01:33 AM
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Mark Recchi put up points, but you never saw him 'take over games', dictate the tempo, or control the play.

Kessels is an amazing player no doubt, but I feel he's more in the category of guys like Palffy, Recchi, Dmitra, Zhamnov. Gaborik is a perfect comparison.

Any of those guys could be top 5 scoring in the league in points in any given year, but they would never really dictate the success of a team the same way a lot of other guys.
As I said in another thread, he's in the class of a Patrick Kane type player. I'd probably take Kessel over Kane actually.

Malkin
Stamkos
Tavares
Datsyuk
Crosby
Hall
Ovechkin
Sedin x 2
Toews

Are better. Most folks would say Giroux but I'm not a huge fan of his. Kopitar, Kane, Staal... he's in that group although I'd probably put Kopitar and St. Louis ahead of him. Still, that's pretty good company to be in.

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04-27-2013, 08:03 AM
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As I said in another thread, he's in the class of a Patrick Kane type player. I'd probably take Kessel over Kane actually.

Malkin
Stamkos
Tavares
Datsyuk
Crosby
Hall
Ovechkin
Sedin x 2
Toews

Are better. Most folks would say Giroux but I'm not a huge fan of his. Kopitar, Kane, Staal... he's in that group although I'd probably put Kopitar and St. Louis ahead of him. Still, that's pretty good company to be in.
Hall? Is better? Now???

Really?

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04-27-2013, 08:07 AM
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Hall was selected first overall, of course he's better!

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04-27-2013, 08:15 AM
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Pretty much confirms to me that it's just a reputation thing and it doesn't matter what these players are actually doing on the ice.

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Pretty much confirms to me that it's just a reputation thing and it doesn't matter what these players are actually doing on the ice.
This! Kessel will never be seen as good enough on HFboard. It's just easier to accept it an enjoy him tearing up other teams D, while start to get more physical and play more solid D.

It's easy to hate on him when you don't watch him play, but every fan of every team gets a bit worried once the puck is on his stick, and that's all I need to be happy.

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04-27-2013, 10:17 AM
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If he repeats again next year I wonder how much he will be asking for when he is a UFA.
Semin got 7 mill.. So I'm worried. 7.5 maybe

Reimer will be a free agent then too I think. If he repeats this year again they could both be getting alot

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I'm interested to see him in the playoffs. He was pretty invisible at the Olympics so hopefully for Toronto he can elevate his play.

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Semin got 7 mill.. So I'm worried. 7.5 maybe

Reimer will be a free agent then too I think. If he repeats this year again they could both be getting alot
It's a good thing to have to worry about.

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Mark Recchi put up points, but you never saw him 'take over games', dictate the tempo, or control the play.

Kessels is an amazing player no doubt, but I feel he's more in the category of guys like Palffy, Recchi, Dmitra, Zhamnov. Gaborik is a perfect comparison.

Any of those guys could be top 5 scoring in the league in points in any given year, but they would never really dictate the success of a team the same way a lot of other guys.
If you've watched any leaf games you would have noticed that he leads us offensively. Scores timely goals, gets timely assists and always causing havoc.

He's not on that level.

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It's a good thing to have to worry about.
Oh of course I'd love another PPG season but I think only Giroux, Stamkos and Malkin have more points the past 2 years. That's elite company. Impressive but will be a big pay day

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I'm interested to see him in the playoffs. He was pretty invisible at the Olympics so hopefully for Toronto he can elevate his play.
But his time with Boston he was really good. He's also heating up big time right now

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You quoted and addressed almost everyone here except you "accidentally" forgot to address charliolemieux's comment above
I did not mean to miss anyone. I couldn't think of how to respond to his post.

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If you needed to put tavares twice to keep kessel off the team, why not put crosby 4 times to make it even easier?

But since you asked, yes, kessel is on. similar level to most of those players - tavares, st.louis, nash, staal, giroux, bergeron and could easily be selected over any of them, depending on team needs.
My point was (as was discussed in other posts) that Mr Kessel will ALWAYS be seen as a (Top) B forward (like Kunitz) no matter how many points he gets. Kunitz would never be included on a Canadian Olympic team and neither would Kessel. Anyway, that is just my opinion, of course.

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04-27-2013, 10:51 AM
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As a Leafs fan I'd say he's one of the best shooters and one of the best skaters in the game, and also pretty elite in terms of puck handling and vision. On the down side, he's also one of the softest players in the league, more or less completely unwilling to engage in physical contact. Getting better at non-physical defence though. Definitely a top 10 winger in the game (along with guys like Ovechkin, Hossa, Kovalchuk, MSL, Perry, Parise, Kane, D Sedin and Vanek), but I'm not sure about top 5.

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Semin got 7 mill.. So I'm worried. 7.5 maybe

Reimer will be a free agent then too I think. If he repeats this year again they could both be getting alot
He asks for 7.5 give him it.

I am actually happy the Semin contract got done because otherwise the only post-lockout major re-signings would have been Perry and Getzlaf in the 8.5 range, and thats a bit high for Phil.

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But his time with Boston he was really good. He's also heating up big time right now
When he is on he is probably top 5 in being dangerous offensively. I'm sick of all the hate the guy gets even though I can't stand there leafs. Hopefully for leafs sake he can find a way to maintain the elevated play level the playoffs require. He definitely is capable .

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Hall? Is better? Now???

Really?
Yes.

Hall is better. Watch him play sometime. Kessel might be better in a fantasy league but Hall is the better player.

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I did not mean to miss anyone. I couldn't think of how to respond to his post.



My point was (as was discussed in other posts) that Mr Kessel will ALWAYS be seen as a (Top) B forward (like Kunitz) no matter how many points he gets. Kunitz would never be included on a Canadian Olympic team and neither would Kessel. Anyway, that is just my opinion, of course.
Comparing kessel to kunitz is just silly, though.

kunitz is a career 50-60 pt winger who in his mid-30s is having a fluje career year thanks to sidney crosby.

nobody, not even kunitz, thinks for a second that his season isn't all thanks to crosby.

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Yes.

Hall is better. Watch him play sometime. Kessel might be better in a fantasy league but Hall is the better player.
I've watched them both play plenty, and at this point kessel is better, though hall still has growing space.

as for fantasy vs. reality, it's hall that's racking up empty points on a bottom feeder, and kessel that's leading his team to one of the better records in hockey.

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I did not mean to miss anyone. I couldn't think of how to respond to his post.



My point was (as was discussed in other posts) that Mr Kessel will ALWAYS be seen as a (Top) B forward (like Kunitz) no matter how many points he gets. Kunitz would never be included on a Canadian Olympic team and neither would Kessel. Anyway, that is just my opinion, of course.
Kunitz? Really?

At Kessel's current age Kunitz had 6 NHL assists compared to Phil's 184 goals and 378 points. Kunitz has NEVER hit 30 goals (Phil is amongst 10 players to do it year after year). Kunitz has never topped 61 points (Phil is top 10 in the world over the past 2 1/2 years)

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I dunno guys, Kessel's been a hell of a playmaker this year.

There were sparks of it the past few years, but much better this year... he passes, he scores, the one thing is he doesn't hit or for that matter take any contact. Is it because he is soft that some of you are saying he doesn't take over games? I would have to disagree. Believe me, his softness gets on my nerves, but he's so quick and smart, undeniable superstar and capable of dominating (just not physically).

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I like that Kunitz is being mentioned in the same breath as Kessel. By the time Kessel is 33, no one will even remember who Chris Kunitz is.

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I've watched them both play plenty, and at this point kessel is better, though hall still has growing space.

as for fantasy vs. reality, it's hall that's racking up empty points on a bottom feeder, and kessel that's leading his team to one of the better records in hockey.
Zeke, you'd take Kessel over Crosby...

I'm talking about rational people who can look at things objectively. Last week you were touting Kessel for MVP so sorry but you have zero credibility here.

Also, you lost a sig bet to me last year and didn't honour it... but that's a whole different story.

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You quoted and addressed almost everyone here except you "accidentally" forgot to address charliolemieux's comment above
Isn't Kessel American?

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I personally do not like Kessel because he is way too soft. I like gritty players. But even though I dont like how soft he plays I do notice he doesnt back down from anyone and if someone screws with him he will give them a good solid hack to the legs or some ****.

However, watching him play its pretty obvious he has great passing and scoring. Ive even seen some great back checking from him too. So as long as leaf fans and the organization are happy with him..it doesnt really matter about the haters.

It will be interesting to see how he does in the playoffs.

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