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04-28-2013, 11:31 AM
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5th pick in the draft. Centerpiece of the trade.

How do you make plans knowing there is a good possibility a player already has his foot out the door?

The Rangers have Girardi(group III) and DZ(group II)up for new contracts in 2014. Both players will need to be re-signed with uncertainty surrounding Staal.
Barkov or Drouin, that could be. NYR haven't had a prospect like that since Cherepanov.

Still,I've read they may wait until next offseason to even consider dealing him.

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Exactly. If you think the best deal you're going to get is at the draft, and you know definitively that he wants to leave, then you have to make the move.
couldn't be said any better
IF you know he wants to leave, get the best deal for him you can.

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It is though. You said parents and family influence a lot right? Well then Callahans family should've told him to play in buffalo. And, I am sorry but you're wrong about Scott... I say this because I know a hell of a lot more devils fans, and the fact that People I knew worked on the inside told me otherwise; meaning that the Devils and him just weren't going to work. He was also aging. Yeah, Lou offered him big money, but on the whole NJ didn't even have a lot of funds. So no, he didn't leave cause Rob was telling him to come there. Baseless. Until its FA or deadline time next year, no one knows. You don't.
You're burying your head in the sand. I understand the fact that you don't want to give up a home-grown legit #1 defenseman - but to even attempt to equate the lure any professional may or may not have to return to his hometown after having made a home for himself in arguably the greatest city in the world (in easy commuting distance for his parents) with the risk that the only missing brother will want to join his THREE other brothers, all playing in their primes at the same time on the same team, is just frankly disingenuous. I am not aware of any true parallel in ALL of major sports. C'mon.

If the Rangers even sniff that this is going to happen they should hold Carolina up for as much as they can this offseason. The Canes will pay up to make it happen two years earlier. Every day closer you get to his availability on the open market, the less they will be inclined to pay.

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04-28-2013, 11:51 AM
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First Friedman, now Brooks.
Echo echo echo. Gets readers talking all over, generates some draw for their articles, but may very well be true. I say Faulk+Skinner+1st. for 2 years of Staal at 3.9M to even consider.

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Depending on who is drafting 2/3, try to move up. That player would be on the Rangers next year.
Enough with these far fetched scenarios. First they aren't trading Staal for the 5th pick in the draft with 2 years left on his contract. Then on top of that they aren't trading more assets to move up 2 or 3 more spots which will cost quite a bit more. This isn't a video game. It's an actual professional sports franchise. The NY Post can write about it all day long to increase readership...but it's not happening in the world we actually live in.

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Go back and look at the last 5th/6th overall picks.

Not a slam dunk by any means. Questionable ability to help the Rangers contend in their window.

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04-28-2013, 12:16 PM
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Enough with these far fetched scenarios. First they aren't trading Staal for the 5th pick in the draft with 2 years left on his contract. Then on top of that they aren't trading more assets to move up 2 or 3 more spots which will cost quite a bit more. This isn't a video game. It's an actual professional sports franchise. The NY Post can write about it all day long to increase readership...but it's not happening in the world we actually live in.
I'm sure that's why Brooks wrote that, to increase readership, when hockey is the 4th most popular sport in this city. Run to the newsstand to pick up the lastest news on Marc Staal!

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The Post is pretty sensationalist. Not sure if their sports section's the same way tho

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I'm sure that's why Brooks wrote that, to increase readership, when hockey is the 4th most popular sport in this city. Run to the newsstand to pick up the lastest news on Marc Staal!
You're joking right? That's what his job is, and he's been sensationalizing crap for years. Where have you been?

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You're joking right? That's what his job is, and he's been sensationalizing crap for years. Where have you been?
Friedman's not one for talking out of his ass. Pretty telling, to me, that Friedman would write his 30 thoughts and then Brooks follows up with something today.

I don't want him traded. But if I'm the Rangers I'm not going to be standing with my dick in my hand if he's gonna leave. Find out his intentions now. The best deal is there now. Get a D-man back in the trade.

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Are the Canes going to meet Marc's contract demands in 2 season's? How much cap space will they have that summer? What if some teams offer Marc stupid money?

Nobody knows a damn thing about what's going to happen next year, let alone 2+ season's. What you do know is Marc's value on this team is through the roof. Our every intention should be to try and retain him, not move him when he still has another 2 years left on his contract.

Everybody is available for the right price, and if the Canes do wow us with an offer, you certainly entertain it. But you don't move Marc prematurely because he might do this or that.

Some of you guys have no backbone. Or confidence. Grow a set of balls and realize we're the NY ****ing Rangers.

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Friedman's not one for talking out of his ass. Pretty telling, to me, that Friedman would write his 30 thoughts and then Brooks follows up with something today.

I don't want him traded. But if I'm the Rangers I'm not going to be standing with my dick in my hand if he's gonna leave. Find out his intentions now. The best deal is there now. Get a D-man back in the trade.
How do you propose the Rangers find out Marc's intentions now? They are supposed to put a gun to his head and say "Marc, your contract is up in 2 years...will you be leaving NY to play with your brothers on Carolina?" Seriously?

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04-28-2013, 01:23 PM
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Are the Canes going to meet Marc's contract demands in 2 season's? How much cap space will they have that summer? What if some teams offer Marc stupid money?

Nobody knows a damn thing about what's going to happen next year, let alone 2+ season's. What you do know is Marc's value on this team is through the roof. Our every intention should be to try and retain him, not move him when he still has another 2 years left on his contract.

Everybody is available for the right price, and if the Canes do wow us with an offer, you certainly entertain it. But you don't move Marc prematurely because he might do this or that.

Some of you guys have no backbone. Or confidence. Grow a set of balls and realize we're the NY ****ing Rangers.
Thank you. So many people fail to realize that Marc is the closest thing to an untouchable this organization has outside of perhaps Hank. They will do everything in their power to re-sign him. And they aren't going to deal him with 2 years left on his contract. Period. The rest of the discussion is moot.

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How do you propose the Rangers find out Marc's intentions now? They are supposed to put a gun to his head and say "Marc, your contract is up in 2 years...will you be leaving NY to play with your brothers on Carolina?" Seriously?
Yeah, sounds pretty reasonable to me. Don't think you need to metaphorically put a gun to his head to ask him. I'm sure he's thought about it. That's not an unreasonable thing for him to be thinking about and it's not an unreasonable thing to ask someone.

You're way far to one end of the spectrum.

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Yeah, sounds pretty reasonable to me. Don't think you need to metaphorically put a gun to his head to ask him. I'm sure he's thought about it. That's not an unreasonable thing for him to be thinking about and it's not an unreasonable thing to ask someone.

You're way far to one end of the spectrum.
Listen, I get that we've all thought, wow, all the Staal brothers could play for Carolina...wouldn't that be something. But at the present time, the Rangers organization is trying to win a championship. Either this year, or next year, or the year after. And Marc Staal is a huge piece of that puzzle. I'm not telling you what Marc plans to do 2+ years from now. But you know what, I bet Marc Staal hasn't made any decisions on what he plans to do that far down the road either. So you can think about it all you want...but that won't change the fact that the Rangers hold him as one of the highest valued pieces in the organization and they will not be pro-actively dealing him away when they are trying to win now. After next season they'll open discussions on an extension. If the team is getting mixed messages from him then they'll evaluate how to proceed as they enter the final year of his contract. But rightfully so they aren't focused on that now. Simply put, Marc Staal will be a Ranger through at least the end of the 2013-2014 season. I'm putting it in writing and I'll bet anyone who believes otherwise.

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Everybody is available for the right price, and if the Canes do wow us with an offer, you certainly entertain it. But you don't move Marc prematurely because he might do this or that.

Some of you guys have no backbone. Or confidence. Grow a set of balls and realize we're the NY ****ing Rangers.
Eloquently put. This should be all. All of the Marc Staal to Carolina rumors are generated by fans who fear he'd leave an A as leader of the NYR's top-5 defense in the NHL to go play with his brothers in North Carolina. We have no basis on Marc's intentions and should make it clear that we want him on our roster for a long time to come. Niedermayer left Jersey after multiple cups at age 33. Marc is a 26 year old leader and one of the first and strongest pieces of NYR's core. Sensationalizing his intentions to play for the Canes two whole cup-contending years before he hits UFA is a waste of time, and a disservice to our current goal of winning a cup, NOW.

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Listen, I get that we've all thought, wow, all the Staal brothers could play for Carolina...wouldn't that be something. But at the present time, the Rangers organization is trying to win a championship. Either this year, or next year, or the year after. And Marc Staal is a huge piece of that puzzle. I'm not telling you what Marc plans to do 2+ years from now. But you know what, I bet Marc Staal hasn't made any decisions on what he plans to do that far down the road either. So you can think about it all you want...but that won't change the fact that the Rangers hold him as one of the highest valued pieces in the organization and they will not be pro-actively dealing him away when they are trying to win now. After next season they'll open discussions on an extension. If the team is getting mixed messages from him then they'll evaluate how to proceed as they enter the final year of his contract. But rightfully so they aren't focused on that now. Simply put, Marc Staal will be a Ranger through at least the end of the 2013-2014 season. I'm putting it in writing and I'll bet anyone who believes otherwise.
It's not that we've all thought about it, it's that it's being written about now. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Marc Staal is a fantastic player, but if the only way the Rangers can win a championship is with Marc Staal than that's bad. The team can still make adjustments. They aren't going to be playing with 5 D-men. There are moves that can be made. Again, this is based on what Marc's intentions are, and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with assessing the situation NOW.

It is an issue. The extent to which nobody knows. But all we can do is make educated guesses on it.

When you've got a highly respected guy like Freidman talking about it, then personally it makes me think.

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It's not that we've all thought about it, it's that it's being written about NOW. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Marc Staal is a fantastic player, but if the only way the Rangers can win a championship is with Marc Staal than that's bad. The team can still make adjustments. They aren't going to be playing with 5 D-men. There are moves that can be made. Again, this is based on what Marc's intentions are, and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with assessing the situation NOW.

It is an issue. The extent to which nobody knows. But all we can do is make educated guesses on it.

When you've got a highly respected guy like Freidman talking about it, then personally it makes me think.
Not going to keep wasting time on an issue that's really just conjecture about something years away. Guys like Freidman and Brooks are talking about it because it's got all the makings of a disney movie, and sensational stories sell papers. But I'll say this before bowing out...I never said the only way the Rangers can win a championship is with Marc Staal. I said that he's one of the most important pieces of the team, and as such they won't be dealing him for picks and prospects who may or may not ever be as good as him, and certainly won't help us win NOW. This team might not beat the caps without him. They might not beat the caps with him...but I feel a lot better about our chances with him in the lineup. He's a prize of the organization, and he's not being traded next month. If the organization feels they need to move assets to land more offense I think the guy we should be talking about is Girardi. He'll be the odd man out if it comes to that. But that's a different discussion.

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Not going to keep wasting time on an issue that's really just conjecture about something years away. Guys like Freidman and Brooks are talking about it because it's got all the makings of a disney movie, and sensational stories sell papers. But I'll say this before bowing out...I never said the only way the Rangers can win a championship is with Marc Staal. I said that he's one of the most important pieces of the team, and as such they won't be dealing him for picks and prospects who may or may not ever be as good as him, and certainly won't help us win NOW. This team might not beat the caps without him. They might not beat the caps with him...but I feel a lot better about our chances with him in the lineup. He's a prize of the organization, and he's not being traded next month. If the organization feels they need to move assets to land more offense I think the guy we should be talking about is Girardi. He'll be the odd man out if it comes to that. But that's a different discussion.
two years is not a long time away.

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two years is not a long time away.
Two more regular seasons and potentially 3 post seasons isn't a long time away? On most nights watching the Rangers try and lock down a 1 goal lead for the final 10 minutes of regulation seems like a lifetime. Guess that's just me. lol

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Two more regular seasons and potentially 3 post seasons isn't a long time away? On most nights watching the Rangers try and lock down a 1 goal lead for the final 10 minutes of regulation seems like a lifetime. Guess that's just me. lol
It really isn't. Teams have plans in place for the future. 2 years is closer than you think. I'm sure they've thought about what they'd do if they lost ANY of their UFAs, not just Marc.

I guess in this debate there are two sides - Wait OR be pro-active IF you think he's leaving

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It really isn't. Teams have plans in place for the future. 2 years is closer than you think. I'm sure they've thought about what they'd do if they lost ANY of their UFAs, not just Marc.

I guess in this debate there are two sides - Wait OR be pro-active IF you think he's leaving
My point is there is a middle ground.

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RB, correct me if I am wrong but I don't think the Rangers can even appropach Staal on a contract extrension until July 5 of 2014. If he requests a trade I understand. If he doesn't, I understand and I am fine with waiting until next summer to make the next move.

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I feel like Staal would bring in a massive return, he's the last brother the Canes are going after, their biggest hole is at defense, and they'd have to wait 2 seasons to see if he'll become a free agent. He can do a lot for them, and he's probably the defenseman they are hottest for in the NHL. You have to think the Rangers could get Carolina's 1st, Rask, and a top-6 forward / top 4 d out of the Canes.

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Yeah, sounds pretty reasonable to me. Don't think you need to metaphorically put a gun to his head to ask him. I'm sure he's thought about it. That's not an unreasonable thing for him to be thinking about and it's not an unreasonable thing to ask someone.

You're way far to one end of the spectrum.
Marc Staal: "Of course I have thought about playing with my brothers but I love it here in NY. I am focused on helping the Rangers win a stanley cup." Happy.

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