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04-28-2013, 02:47 PM
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Ken Holland Said He Would Retire When Lidstrom Did

....lets clear up this common misconception here. I see lots of posters on this forum who believe what he said was factual. Below are some sources saying he was joking. Hopefully this clears things up and we don't ever have to read "b-b-b-but Kenny said he was going to retire" garbage anymore.

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From Craig Custance:

"Red Wings GM Ken Holland likes to joke that Lidstrom's retirement press conference will be followed shortly by his own"

From Bob McKenzie:

“DET GM Kenny Holland always used to joke, at least I think he was joking, that he would retire five minutes after Nick Lidstrom retired.”

From Kevin Allen @ US Today:

"GM Ken Holland used to joke that he was going to retire when Lidstrom retired"
Credit goes to ogreslayer from LGWs for doing the research

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04-28-2013, 02:53 PM
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give me a break, as if anyone really thought he wasn't joking.

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04-28-2013, 02:57 PM
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give me a break, as if anyone really thought he wasn't joking.
Exactly.

It's like when someone says "**** you." and the other guy responds "You offering?"

It's just a way of sarcastically throwing it back in someone's face. Even when you know that's not what the guy meant/was not being serious.

How is this not obvious?

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give me a break, as if anyone really thought he wasn't joking.
Haha, I can think of a few.

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give me a break, as if anyone really thought he wasn't joking.
A cursory examination of this thread will show you that some people on this subforum believed he was serious.

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A cursory examination of this thread will show you that some people on this subforum believed he was serious.
The world we live in surrounds us with idiots.

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Ha, i lol'd.

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Here is ogreslayer's post (in response to another poster who insisted that Nill had been "strung along" by Holland:

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From Craig Custance:

"Red Wings GM Ken Holland likes to joke that Lidstrom's retirement press conference will be followed shortly by his own"


From Bob McKenzie:

“DET GM Kenny Holland always used to joke, at least I think he was joking, that he would retire five minutes after Nick Lidstrom retired.”


From Kevin Allen @ US Today:

"GM Ken Holland used to joke that he was going to retire when Lidstrom retired"


And strung along? The same man who was at the top of pretty much every team's wish list that had an opening the past couple of years, was given opportunities to interview for them, & turned them all down due to the fact he wanted to stay in Michigan as his wife was battling cancer? The same man that was paid as much as GM's throughout the league & was on record saying that he loved the autonomy that Kenny gave him to do his job? That's being strung along? In the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis".

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A cursory examination of this thread will show you that some people on this subforum believed he was serious.
It was literally, one person. Who I might add, got corrected in the very next post.

This is what I'm talking about. You take one, singular, individual. You see their opinion. Then you make it the opinion of everyone else you disagree with. Somehow a single person becomes "some people." No. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. It's dishonest.

Stop doing it.

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It was literally, one person. Who I might add, got corrected in the very next post.

This is what I'm talking about. You take one, singular, individual. You see their opinion. Then you make it the opinion of everyone else you disagree with. Somehow a single person becomes "some people." No. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. It's dishonest.

Stop doing it.
Just one, huh?

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agree. Came here after I saw it on FSD.

First Yzerman, now Nill. Holland obviously will not stand behind his Lidstrom comment.
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Lol way to **** it up again Kenny you **** retire like you said you would!!!
So by saying there was literally, one person... you really meant 'more than one person'?

What does the word literally mean to you? Because you are using it wrong...

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Just one, huh?

From that thread:





So by saying there was literally, one person... you really meant "more than one person"?

What does the word literally mean to you? Because you are using it wrong...
You're trying too hard, man.

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You're trying too hard, man.
Literally or figuratively?

Btw, Ken Holland literally has 4 Stanley Cups under his belt as a General Manager in literally a 5 year span

/sarcasm

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el oh el.

People don't think he was being serious, they wish he was because there has been a malaise in the Front office since the SCF loss to Pitt.

Since then the Tootoo and Dekeyser signings are his high water marks.

Holland inherited a franchise reminicint of General Motors in the late 50's and has brought us to the late 80's early 90's. Wait a few more years and he will have us at the Bush years.

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Literally or figuratively?

Btw, Ken Holland literally has 4 Stanley Cups under his belt as a General Manager in literally a 5 year span

/sarcasm
its too bad Bowman left. Holland might have been able to sustain that success.

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Literally or figuratively?

Btw, Ken Holland literally has 4 Stanley Cups under his belt as a General Manager in literally a 5 year span

/sarcasm
What the hell are you even saying?

I don't see the big dilemma. People who said that were joking.

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Just one, huh?

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So by saying there was literally, one person... you really meant 'more than one person'?

What does the word literally mean to you? Because you are using it wrong...
1. I did miss Goalie Guy. I was scanning for the word "Lidstrom." My bad.

2. It seems sarcastic to me. C'mon. Triple exclamation points?

And the gist of my post still stands. It's the tiniest of tiny minorities that thought Holland was serious about his retirement comments. To trot that opinion out like it's something popular on these boards is stupid and dishonest. But I guess since you found two whole people who said it (one of whom might not have even been serious) you've proven me wrong.

I guess it's a very well represented sentiment here.

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its too bad Bowman left. Holland might have been able to sustain that success.
Bowman has very little to do with front office success. It is the reason he was never a GM and had to split powers with Holland and Devellano first and they lost them outright, I hate this myth. Anyway glad he hasn't left yet, Ken Holland is a smart guy, I am looking forward to his plans with the team. He has a couple years here to get this back to the lofty expectations.

As others have pointed out the Lidstrom thing was always a joke.

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Bowman has very little to do with front office success. It is the reason he was never a GM and had to split powers with Holland and Devellano first and they lost them outright, I hate this myth. Anyway glad he hasn't left yet, Ken Holland is a smart guy, I am looking forward to his plans with the team. He has a couple years here to get this back to the lofty expectations.

As others have pointed out the Lidstrom thing was always a joke.
The SC follows him. front offices duties or not. He was as responsible as anybody imo.

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its too bad Bowman left. Holland might have been able to sustain that success.
Bowman was a great coach, and he coached those players Holland got for him very well. What it boils down to is people don't understand the concept or impact of 'salary cap'. When you don't get top 5 drafting every year, and you can't buy overpaid FA every year, you will see fluctuation from year to year.

In the past 4 cup wins, the winners all had top draft picks from tanking. Coincidence? I think not.

Penguins
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Holland is maintaining a team without tanking. Guess what, Wings just made 22 consecutive playoff appearances.... without Lidstrom, Helm, Bertuzzi, and a few others. Wings also have top 10 prospect pool in the NHL, imo. *high five*

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The SC follows him. front offices duties or not. He was as responsible as anybody imo.
It didn't follow him to Buffalo, truly the only time he had full autonomy in an organization.

He also was living in Buffalo full time and a bigger resource to Babcock than Holland when interviewed on the subjects of the team. His impact on front office decisions is greatly exaggerated after he retired from coaching in Detroit.

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, he is without a doubt the greatest hockey coach ever in my mind, maybe the best coach in the history of professional sports in North America.

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1. I did miss Goalie Guy. I was scanning for the word "Lidstrom." My bad.

2. It seems sarcastic to me. C'mon. Triple exclamation points?

And the gist of my post still stands. It's the tiniest of tiny minorities that thought Holland was serious about his retirement comments. To trot that opinion out like it's something popular on these boards is stupid and dishonest. But I guess since you found two whole people who said it (one of whom might not have even been serious) you've proven me wrong.

I guess it's a very well represented sentiment here.
I just scanned the first page and found two, after I found two, I stopped searching because I literally thought two was more than literally one. Pretty sure I read people saying it on the main board as well. Also read it around blogs and other websites, not just here. As you probably know, unregistered people read this forums, so it might be educational for them to read this thread.

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The SC follows him. front offices duties or not. He was as responsible as anybody imo.
Then he was also responsible for the bad moves and for the good ones that weren't made. There's this odd idea that Bowman was responsible for all the good and Holland only for the bad.

In case anyone has forgotten, Bowman was not a remarkable GM. He was decent, not great. And though he was the greatest coach of all time, even in that role he did not win it all anywhere close to 100% of the time, regardless of the often unlimited resources made available to him.

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Anyone who has ever observed Holland should have known he was joking.

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If Jim Nill was dumb enough to be strung along for 15 years, we dont want him as our GM

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just another example of people taking quotes from the media too seriously. anyone with half a brain should realize he was joking.

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