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04-28-2013, 12:22 PM
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Eller's been an absolute machine. Halak trade looked good to me in 2010, it looks even better now.

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Here's what I would do going into the playoffs :
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Bourque
Gallagher-Eller-Galchenyuk
Ryder-DD-Gionta
Prust-White-Moen

Subban-Gorges
Markov-Diaz
Bouillon-Tinordi
What would the +/- rating of the Ryder-DD-Gionta line look like? I know the first line of every opponent would be drawn to it like a supermagnet.

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What would the +/- rating of the Ryder-DD-Gionta line look like? I know the first line of every opponent would be drawn to it like a supermagnet.
I agree with you.

To win hockey games, yes, you need offense. If you have two lines producing most of the offense, great. If you have three lines producing offense, even better.

But you also need defense from your forwards. Pacioretty and Bourque with DD at least gives that line a chance at playing D. Ryder and Gionta with DD would be a defensive nightmare for the Habs.

If DD is traded in the offseason, then there would be more options. But he is here and Therrien has to make it work.

Eller on the third is far more valuable to the Habs for the defense that he brings than bumping DD down to that role that he physically cannot match Eller.

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I agree with you.

To win hockey games, yes, you need offense. If you have two lines producing most of the offense, great. If you have three lines producing offense, even better.

But you also need defense from your forwards. Pacioretty and Bourque with DD at least gives that line a chance at playing D. Ryder and Gionta with DD would be a defensive nightmare for the Habs.

If DD is traded in the offseason, then there would be more options. But he is here and Therrien has to make it work.

Eller on the third is far more valuable to the Habs for the defense that he brings than bumping DD down to that role that he physically cannot match Eller.
Where does it say that the 3rd line absolutely has to be the one getting the defensive duties?

I know it used to be the good old conservative way, 1st line, 2nd line, checking line, energy line. But the only thing that really determines which line is which are the ice time and quality of players.
Eller's line could get top 6 ice time and still have defensive duties.

I mean, Plekanec always faces the toughest match ups and he's not on the 3rd line.
So I don't see why DD would suddenly be used as a checking center just because he gets less ice time.

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04-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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Where does it say that the 3rd line absolutely has to be the one getting the defensive duties?

I know it used to be the good old conservative way, 1st line, 2nd line, checking line, energy line. But the only thing that really determines which line is which are the ice time and quality of players.
Eller's line could get top 6 ice time and still have defensive duties.

I mean, Plekanec always faces the toughest match ups and he's not on the 3rd line.
So I don't see why DD would suddenly be used as a checking center just because he gets less ice time.
Nowhere does it say that.

However, it is smart to have a line that is defensive oriented to play against the other team's 2nd line. And Eller, Gally and Chuckie did a great job playing against Grabovski's line.

Would you rather have DD given responsibility against Grabo? I wouldnt.

And in kind, Toronto preferred to play the Colburn line with Lupul and Kulemin against DD since that line is more defensively oriented.


Fans can call a line by whatever number they choose and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you need to have a damned good defensive line to play against a team's 2nd line. And you have your best two way center (Pleks) play against the other team's top line.

Eller has been doing a great job for the Habs. Eller being given more of a priority on defense is not a bad thing for this club. It helps us to win games like last night. And when his line scores goals, its an even better result for the Habs.

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04-29-2013, 09:55 AM
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Nowhere does it say that.

However, it is smart to have a line that is defensive oriented to play against the other team's 2nd line. And Eller, Gally and Chuckie did a great job playing against Grabovski's line.

Would you rather have DD given responsibility against Grabo? I wouldnt.

And in kind, Toronto preferred to play the Colburn line with Lupul and Kulemin against DD since that line is more defensively oriented.


Fans can call a line by whatever number they choose and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you need to have a damned good defensive line to play against a team's 2nd line. And you have your best two way center (Pleks) play against the other team's top line.

Eller has been doing a great job for the Habs. Eller being given more of a priority on defense is not a bad thing for this club. It helps us to win games like last night. And when his line scores goals, its an even better result for the Habs.
This is true. Ice time kinda determine where you spot is but not the duties. Eller has done a great job at both end of the ice and IMO, he's done a great job on puck control. Sure there more then a few time where questioned his hockey IQ but as the season wen on, he's lead me to beleive it may have been lack of experience.
One thing is for sure, he has great tools to be a valueable asset for any team. Today, I'm glad he's a Montreal Canadien player.

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Eller's been an absolute machine. Halak trade looked good to me in 2010, it looks even better now.
What if Eller took us to the conference finals this year ? Oh the iron E

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04-29-2013, 10:37 AM
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Galchenyuk-Eller is going to be a very good 1-2 punch down the middle in two years. Hopefully DD can be moved to wing or out of the organization, we'd be better served with Bournival/UFA two way guy in a couple years on the third line. Eller provides everything DD does offensively and more while being significantly better at everything outside of the offensive zone. Not to say throw away our depth but it would be a crime if DD was ahead of Eller in the lineup going into next season.
In two years it will be Chuckie, Eller and Dumont. I have no problem with this.

Pleks can get us something good after next year.

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04-29-2013, 10:58 AM
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In two years it will be Chuckie, Eller and Dumont. I have no problem with this.

Pleks can get us something good after next year.
I love Dumont but I'm not sure he's more than a 4th line C. If he's on the 3rd line it will probably be as a winger.

Replacing Plekanec with Dumont would absolutely destroy our offensive depth. If we must trade Plekanec because of the obsession with making moves, hopefully someone like Leblanc or Bournival steps it up.

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I love Dumont but I'm not sure he's more than a 4th line C. If he's on the 3rd line it will probably be as a winger.

Replacing Plekanec with Dumont would absolutely destroy our offensive depth. If we must trade Plekanec because of the obsession with making moves, hopefully someone like Leblanc or Bournival steps it up.
Plekanec should never be moved. He means too much to this team. Desharnais will be gone when Galchenyuk is ready to be a go-to offensive C

Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Eller is all the center depth we need in the top 3 lines. After that, another gritty face-off pk/specialist for the 4th line and we're gold.

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I love Dumont but I'm not sure he's more than a 4th line C. If he's on the 3rd line it will probably be as a winger.

Replacing Plekanec with Dumont would absolutely destroy our offensive depth. If we must trade Plekanec because of the obsession with making moves, hopefully someone like Leblanc or Bournival steps it up.
I agree, Dumont MIGHT run a third line, but won't be the better options available.
Moving Plekanec.....Only if it's against a young good prospect at C.

In two years from now, if Eller continue on this path, there's no way he'll stay a 3rd line center.

And in two years....Vail and Bournival might be very good options, or one of our draft pick of this year might be one also.

But we will see in time...

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04-29-2013, 11:40 AM
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Plekanec should never be moved.
We finally have depth at C and people keep wanting to trade it away? Having 3 stud centers is what this team has always dreamed of.

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04-29-2013, 11:49 AM
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Plekanec should never be moved. He means too much to this team. Desharnais will be gone when Galchenyuk is ready to be a go-to offensive C

Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Eller is all the center depth we need in the top 3 lines. After that, another gritty face-off pk/specialist for the 4th line and we're gold.
Assuming Plekanec doesn't fall off completely (anything is possible, but anyone on this team could suffer a career-limiting back injury or something regardless of their age), there's no reason to think he will have a rapid decline anytime soon. He's an elusive perimeter player with almost no injury history, guys like that can produce into their late 30's.

He relies on speed and realistically his offensive output will slowly decline as he loses half a step, but his style of play, fitness level and hockey IQ project that his prime should last for his current contract, and unless something happens, if Eller continues to improve the two of them could start to switch roles unless Plek decides to chase money elsewhere.

This doesn't mean Plekanec is untouchable, only Subban, Galchenyuk and Price are right now, if we draft someone like Gauthier and they live up to their promise then Plek might be expendable in a few years. But there's very little incentive to trade Plekanec when he is able to fill so many different roles.

The emergence of Eller just makes everything that much better. Hell, let's trade for Bergeron and O'Reilly and Bolland and have a team of 2 way centers!

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Plekanec should never be moved. He means too much to this team. Desharnais will be gone when Galchenyuk is ready to be a go-to offensive C

Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Eller is all the center depth we need in the top 3 lines. After that, another gritty face-off pk/specialist for the 4th line and we're gold.
I agree about the first 3 centers. Then for the forth one, I honnestly think that White should been given a chance. It's not easy to learn this role and this year was a tough learning one. If Habs gave a chance to youngsters this year, I think they should do the same next year with him. Let's give him the 4th line center duty to start the season next year, and give him at least 30-40 games, no matter the mistakes. Then we'll be able to judge better his real value.

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Eller is without question the second best center on the Canadiens.

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Plekanec should never be moved. He means too much to this team. Desharnais will be gone when Galchenyuk is ready to be a go-to offensive C

Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Eller is all the center depth we need in the top 3 lines. After that, another gritty face-off pk/specialist for the 4th line and we're gold.
This is how I see it as well. A terrific combination of skill, speed, size and grittiness down the center. No room for Desi Arnez at center, nor is he suited for playing the wing. When Chuckie is ready... DD must go.

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Nowhere does it say that.

However, it is smart to have a line that is defensive oriented to play against the other team's 2nd line. And Eller, Gally and Chuckie did a great job playing against Grabovski's line.

Would you rather have DD given responsibility against Grabo? I wouldnt.

And in kind, Toronto preferred to play the Colburn line with Lupul and Kulemin against DD since that line is more defensively oriented.


Fans can call a line by whatever number they choose and it is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you need to have a damned good defensive line to play against a team's 2nd line. And you have your best two way center (Pleks) play against the other team's top line.

Eller has been doing a great job for the Habs. Eller being given more of a priority on defense is not a bad thing for this club. It helps us to win games like last night. And when his line scores goals, its an even better result for the Habs.
I still don't understand why you can't have Eller as the 2nd line center, play versus the opponent's top 2 line, and Plek versus the top.
You have DD on the 3rd line getting easier match ups.

Nothing would change in terms of match ups, only ice time will go up for Eller, and lower for DD.

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I still don't understand why you can't have Eller as the 2nd line center, play versus the opponent's top 2 line, and Plek versus the top.
You have DD on the 3rd line getting easier match ups.

Nothing would change in terms of match ups, only ice time will go up for Eller, and lower for DD.
I agree kriss, I've been saying this forever. DD can exploit 3rd line competition, vs other teams top 2 lines he is over-matched. The 3rd line shutdown role isn't what it use to be. Most teams play strength vs strength, the 3rd line shut down role is a fairy-tale for those stuck in the 80-90's.

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I see next year Pleks, Eller, and Gally and the year after that its should be Gally, Eller and Pleks ...

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I see next year Pleks, Eller, and Gally and the year after that its should be Gally, Eller and Pleks ...
How do we deal Desharnais ?

He just got an extension and he's a "home town boy"

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How do we deal Desharnais ?

He just got an extension and he's a "home town boy"
Maybe trade him to Tampa and be a poor-man's St-Louis at some point? He'll be half a 'home town boy' there also with how things are there.

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I still don't understand why you can't have Eller as the 2nd line center, play versus the opponent's top 2 line, and Plek versus the top.
You have DD on the 3rd line getting easier match ups.

Nothing would change in terms of match ups, only ice time will go up for Eller, and lower for DD.
Almost all coaches play matchup hockey.

You can call Eller's line by whatever number you choose. 1, 2 or 3. Opposing team's coaches do not care what number a line is called.

Therrien is still not sold on Chuckie for whatever reason. He feels that the team will do better giving more minutes to Pacioretty and Bourque. So DD gets more minutes not because of DD, but because of his linemates.

So do you move DD to the line with Chuckie and Gally to cut his ice time and give Eller more offensive minutes? If you do that, the other team's coach will look at that line (DD, Gally, Chuckie) as an exploitable defensive line and Eller will rarely see the other team's 2nd line for defensive purposes. The Habs will suffer for giving a smallish line responsibility for shutting down the 2nd line of other teams.

We are a smallish team. Because of that, we have to shield certain players. Sucks, but it is our roster right now.

Therrien seems to think that Eller is fine being a PK specialist and is slowly easing him into more PP time. IF, and only IF he starts lighting it up on the PP, then I am sure he will reward Eller with more PP time.

Until then, I am certain that Therrien will think that spreading ice time and offensive/defensive responsibilities to more players on this team leads to a more productive team.

As I am prone to gripe about Therriens use of Prust, it appears that the man knows a little bit about coaching as we finished tops in the NE.

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Im hoping Eller will have a big presence this playoffs. Time for him to ignite that mean side of his game we've been seeing glimpses of this season. The guy is huge and would add an entire other level to his play if he shows he can compete and dominate at the rougher playoff game style.

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He just got an extension and he's a "home town boy"
I know we have to do it somehow. Bergevin first mistake should have waited till end of season if he did I don`t think he would have signed him...

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I know we have to do it somehow. Bergevin first mistake should have waited till end of season if he did I don`t think he would have signed him...
I would not have signed him. Yes, it is a value signing for an offensively minded center.

I would have moved him in the offseason just to make our forward lines bigger. Nothing personal against DD or his skill set.

It is just turning out that Gally is a more talented small guy.

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