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03-07-2013, 06:29 PM
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Don Cherrys top 40 obviously.
I'd enjoy seeing that, also.

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I definitely think there is a lot more to be learned from the discussions than from the final list itself.

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Also, no list based on 27 peoples opinions is ever legit, it's fun, and somewhat interesting, but far from legit, if by legit we're talking having any value.
Is 27 too few or too many to be legit?

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Just wanted to say great work guys! I'm a little bummed that Richter didn't sneak his way into the top forty, but I can't argue with the effort that you guys put into this.

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Just wanted to say great work guys! I'm a little bummed that Richter didn't sneak his way into the top forty, but I can't argue with the effort that you guys put into this.
He was a great clutch performer no doubt. Real important during a historical Cup run and a World Cup.

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He was a great clutch performer no doubt. Real important during a historical Cup run and a World Cup.
Sorry, I'm on my phone and can't easily check the voting records...how did Mike do generally amongst the voters (curious to see how he placed compared to guys like Vernon, Osgood, and Kolzig)? If the list was extended to 50, would he get in?

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Sorry, I'm on my phone and can't easily check the voting records...how did Mike do generally amongst the voters (curious to see how he placed compared to guys like Vernon, Osgood, and Kolzig)? If the list was extended to 50, would he get in?
Round 1 voting

41 Dave Kerr 27 488 42.9
42 Mike Liut 26 483 42.4 +2
43 Vladimir Dzurilla 25 481 41.8
44 Henrik Lundqvist 22 468 39.7 +6
45 Al Rollins 25 419 44.2
46 Mike Richter 25 414 44.4
47 Miikka Kiprusoff 23 365 45.1
48 Mike Vernon 19 293 45.6
49 Riley Hern 20 289 46.6
50 John Ross Roach 22 263 49
51 Ron Hextall 17 252 46.2
52 Paddy Moran 18 223 48.6
53 Roger Crozier 17 217 48.2
54 Jiri Kralik 19 216 49.6
55 Chris Osgood 14 178 48.3
56 Normie Smith 15 178 49.1
57 John Bouse Hutton 14 165 49.2
58 Seth Martin 12 163 47.4
59 Pekka Lindmark 15 150 51
60 Chico Resch 13 134 50.7
61 Olaf Kolzig 19 133 54

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Thanks. Real interesting stuff, reading the discussions in the voting threads is a ton of fun...the work you guys put into these projects is definitely appreciated!

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This is the final list of the top goaltenders from all of hockey history, as determined by the History of Hockey community at HFBoards:

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Top Goaltenders of All-Time
RankPlayerHeightWeightBornDiedCareerNationality
1Patrick Roy6'1"2101965 1985-2003Canada
2Dominik Hašek6'1"1651965 1980-2011Czech
3Jacques Plante6'0"175192919861952-1975Canada
4Glenn Hall5'11"1901931 1951-1971Canada
5Terry Sawchuk5'11"190192919701949-1970Canada
6Martin Brodeur6'2"2161972 1991-presentCanada
7Ken Dryden6'4"2071947 1970-1979Canada
8Vladislav Tretiak6'0"2001952 1968-1984Russia
9Frank Brimsek5'9"170191319981938-1950USA
10Georges Vézina5'6"185188719261910-1925Canada
11Charlie Gardiner6'0176190419341927-1934Canada
12Clint Benedict5'11"185189219761912-1931Canada
13Walter "Turk" Broda5'9"165191419721935-1951Canada
14Bill Durnan6'0"190191619721944-1950Canada
15Ed Belfour6'02151965 1989-2008Canada
16Tony Esposito5'11"1851943 1967-1984Canada
17Bernie Parent5'10"1701945 1965-1979Canada
18Roy Worters5'3"135190019571925-1937Canada
19Johnny Bower5'91701924 1945-1970Canada
20Jiří Holeček5'11"1631944 1964-1981Czech
21Cecil "Tiny" Thompson5'10"160190319811928-1941Canada
22George Hainsworth5'6"150189519501923-1937Canada
23Billy Smith5'10'1851950 1971-1989Canada
24Hugh Lehman5'8"168188519611908-1928Canada
25Grant Fuhr5'10"2011962 1981-2000Canada
26Lorne "Gump" Worsley5'7"180192920071952-1974Canada
27Harry Lumley6'0"195192619981943-1960Canada
28Chuck Rayner5'11"190192020021940-1953Canada
29Tom Barrasso6'3"2101965 1983-2003USA
30Harry "Hap" Holmes5'10"170189219411912-1928Canada
31Curtis Joseph5'10"1821967 1989-2009Canada
32Eddie Giacomin5'11"180193920021965-1978Canada
33Rogie Vachon5'7"1701945 1967-1982Canada
34John Vanbiesbrouck5'8"1751963 1981-2002USA
35Percy LeSueur5'7"150188119621905-1916Canada
36Roberto Luongo6'3"1801979 1998-presentCanada
37Tim Thomas5'11"2011974 2003-2012USA
38Henrik Lundqvist6'1"1951982 2005-presentSweden
39Alec Connell5'9"150190219581924-1937Canada
40Mike Liut6'2"1951956 1977-1992Canada


Links to all the discussion threads that went into making this list:
Round 2 Voting Results
Round 2, Vote 1 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 2 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 3 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 4 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 5 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 6 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 7 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 8 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 9 Discussion
Round 2, Vote 10 Discussion

Links to the preliminary discussion threads before voters submitted their lists:
Rules Discussion Thread
Goalies Before 1950 Research Thread
Final Preliminary Discussion Thread

Links that explain the creation of the aggregate list that formed the basis of discussion. This data was released at the end of the project:
Round 1 Voting Results (Aggregate List)
Round 1 Screening Process
Participants Survey (filled out at the end of the project)

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i admire the list but someone information is off or just playing favs. Plante should be second. Sawchuk third, Brodeur, then Hašek

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04-28-2013, 10:42 PM
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i admire the list but someone information is off or just playing favs. Plante should be second. Sawchuk third, Brodeur, then Hašek
Clearly.

Don't know how we missed that.

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04-29-2013, 07:25 PM
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Well, you didn't bother arguing when everyone else was putting together well-reasoned and sound arguments. And you probably haven't read those well-reasoned and sound arguments, either.

So I wouldn't expect that you'd bother at this point.

Seriously - we worked our ***** off for this. Don't come in here and piss all over it with flippant remarks.
People playing favs instead of looking at the numbers but that fine ur choice on the list

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People playing favs instead of looking at the numbers but that fine ur choice on the list
Clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with your exact order is just playing favorites.

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I am afraid I have to disagree with you.

Tretiak has played loads of great games against world's most talented teams and has been terrific and dominant in most of them.
Yep, the only beef I have with the list is having Tretriak below Dryden - and I'm an "old" Montreal fan. That New Years game said it all....

Dryden was a great Goalie, perfect for that team (could stay sharp when seeing few shots - not an easy thing for most goalies) but Tretriak outplayed him.

Plante was a pioneer, hard to compare between generations as we all know...

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Yep, the only beef I have with the list is having Tretriak below Dryden - and I'm an "old" Montreal fan. That New Years game said it all....

Dryden was a great Goalie, perfect for that team (could stay sharp when seeing few shots - not an easy thing for most goalies) but Tretriak outplayed him.
That was one game (an exhibition game, no less).

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Yep, the only beef I have with the list is having Tretriak below Dryden - and I'm an "old" Montreal fan. That New Years game said it all....

Dryden was a great Goalie, perfect for that team (could stay sharp when seeing few shots - not an easy thing for most goalies) but Tretriak outplayed him.

Plante was a pioneer, hard to compare between generations as we all know...
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That was one game (an exhibition game, no less).
This is my thought as well.

It's all fine and dandy if one wants to rank anyone over Dryden but they should really make a better case than a single game.

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Where is Alex Connell? no way he's not a top 40.

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Where is Alex Connell? no way he's not a top 40.
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Where is Alex Connell? no way he's not a top 40.
Wish you had participated so that someone could have explained why he belongs.

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Where is Alex Connell? no way he's not a top 40.
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Wish you had participated so that someone could have explained why he belongs.
Someone must have done that already... see #39.

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Connell was perhaps the goalie in most need of an advocate. I'm still not clear on what specifically made him a great goalie, other than putting up great numbers.

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Connell was perhaps the goalie in most need of an advocate. I'm still not clear on what specifically made him a great goalie, other than putting up great numbers.
I went in thinking I would be his advocate. Did a lot of game to game research on him...came away thinking he didn't belong. Seems very likely that he was the Osgood of his era. I'm not sold that John Ross Roach wasn't better or at least on par. Adding Connell was largely a stat grab, unfortunately.

Maybe related, maybe not, third straight year the save pct. record* has been broken...who woulda thunk it...

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I went in thinking I would be his advocate. Did a lot of game to game research on him...came away thinking he didn't belong. Seems very likely that he was the Osgood of his era. I'm not sold that John Ross Roach wasn't better or at least on par. Adding Connell was largely a stat grab, unfortunately.

Maybe related, maybe not, third straight year the save pct. record* has been broken...who woulda thunk it...
Not that its relevant, but Anderson only played 24 games this year and Elliott also played less than half his team's games the year before (38).

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Hey, the next time I say something like Lundqvist isn't a top-40 goaltender, can one of you just punch me in the jaw?

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i admire the list but someone information is off or just playing favs. Plante should be second. Sawchuk third, Brodeur, then Hašek
Great insight. I guess guys should change the list accordingly.

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Hey, the next time I say something like Lundqvist isn't a top-40 goaltender, can one of you just punch me in the jaw?
Yeah, he's not bad. Combine this playoffs (to date) and last: 1.78 GAA, .936 save pct. and 5 shutouts in 27 games. But he's only 14-13 over that stretch. Score a goal for this man...

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