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09-14-2006, 06:46 AM
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Brooks ia wrong about Sauer's injury. According to Don Maloney, who I specifically asked about Sauer last Friday, Sauer had pretty much recovered from the injury at the WJC, when he was reinjured at the Portland camp.


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Brooks ia wrong about Sauer's injury. According to Don Maloney, who I specifically asked about Sauer last Friday, Sauer had pretty much recovered from the injury at the WJC, when he was reinjured at the Portland camp.
Bottomline Sauer missed the rookie tournament and now won't be attending the Rangers main camp due to concussion symptoms which sucks

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Brooks ia wrong about Sauer's injury. According to Don Maloney, who I specifically asked about Sauer last Friday, Sauer had pretty much recovered from the injury at the WJC, when he was reinjured at the Portland camp.
Yes, but which would be worse - still suffering from the first concussion or having a 2nd one right on its heels...? This is not sounding good at all.

Why the heck can't they design a helmet more like a football helmet? (Not that it has to LOOK like a football helmet, just perform like one.) Football players get concussions rarely, not nearly with the frequency of hockey players.

And yes I know the players would hate it, but they said the same thing about wearing helmets. And then they said it again about wearing helmets with visors. And yet nowadays everyone wears helmets and there are more visors than ever before. Start it in juniors and in 5-10 years everyone in the pros will be wearing 'em. (And in the meantime, guys who already have the problem, like Lindros, would have another option.)

I'm sure there are reasons it hasn't been done, but since I'm neither an engineer nor a neurologist, I don't know why and I remain curious. You'd think the owners would be motivated to make it happen.

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That is too bad for Sauer...

and on the surface, it doesn't look good that a minor concussion sustained a few weeks ago will keep him out of training camp. Perhaps he'll be able to begin practicing a bit later and wouldn't be ready for the start and they decided to cut him out altogether because it didn't make sense to join camp after it started. I dunno. Would've like to've seen him out there.

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Ahhhhh... gosh darnit.

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The Winterhawks website doesn't say anything about Sauer getting hurt at the Portland camp

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In another development, 19-year-old defenseman Michael Sauer has decided not to attend the main camp of the New York Rangers. Sauer missed the Rangers’ rookie camp as he recovers from concussion symptoms suffered over the summer at the U.S. National World Junior team tryout camp. Sauer is a 2nd round pick of the Rangers from the 2005 draft and has already signed an NHL contract
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The Winterhawks website doesn't say anything about Sauer getting hurt at the Portland camp



http://www.winterhawks.com/index.php...d=807&Itemid=1
Thats a huge blow, Sauer not even attending the camp now. Its hard to stay excited as him being one of our top defenseman prospects when hes injured so often....it was a risk we knew when we drafted him though.

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Thats a huge blow, Sauer not even attending the camp now. Its hard to stay excited as him being one of our top defenseman prospects when hes injured so often....it was a risk we knew when we drafted him though.
Agreed, therrible news.

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I highly doubt that Don Maloney would not tell me the truth about where and when Sauer got injured. Why would he make up the story about Sauer getting hit again and re-injured in Portland?

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It's one injury after nother with this kid.

Very frustrating. Forgetting the problem he had fixed, it's starting to get to the range of just being "fragile".

Unfortunatly some guys are just like that, hopefully Sauer isn't one of them but so far it's not looking encouraging.

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One of the hip surgeries Sauer had was to correct a birth defect.It's not like Sauer had anything to do with that surgery.The other hip surgery corrected a torn labrum which bothered Sauer for 2 years.He had both surgeries with no more issues with either hip.Sauer missed some games with a bruised shoulder last year and then played his *** off for Portland.Sauer suffered the concussion on August 10

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Yes, but which would be worse - still suffering from the first concussion or having a 2nd one right on its heels...? This is not sounding good at all.

Why the heck can't they design a helmet more like a football helmet? (Not that it has to LOOK like a football helmet, just perform like one.) Football players get concussions rarely, not nearly with the frequency of hockey players.

And yes I know the players would hate it, but they said the same thing about wearing helmets. And then they said it again about wearing helmets with visors. And yet nowadays everyone wears helmets and there are more visors than ever before. Start it in juniors and in 5-10 years everyone in the pros will be wearing 'em. (And in the meantime, guys who already have the problem, like Lindros, would have another option.)

I'm sure there are reasons it hasn't been done, but since I'm neither an engineer nor a neurologist, I don't know why and I remain curious. You'd think the owners would be motivated to make it happen.
I don't think it's as simple as copying a football helmet--hockey players need a much wider range of vision that most football players and also football players tend to get hit straight on much more than hockey players. And too, while helmets are important, the mouth piece is even more so--plus neck strength to prevent the head from snapping back. Football players can work to build up their neck muscles much more than hockey players can. Football players can make the trade-off between range of motion in their necks and strength, there is a limit to how far a hockey player can go.

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One of the hip surgeries Sauer had was to correct a birth defect.It's not like Sauer had anything to do with that surgery.The other hip surgery corrected a torn labrum which bothered Sauer for 2 years.He had both surgeries with no more issues with either hip.Sauer missed some games with a bruised shoulder last year and then played his *** off for Portland.Sauer suffered the concussion on August 10
Sauer also missed games last year due to a foot injury.

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I don't think it's as simple as copying a football helmet--hockey players need a much wider range of vision that most football players and also football players tend to get hit straight on much more than hockey players. And too, while helmets are important, the mouth piece is even more so--plus neck strength to prevent the head from snapping back. Football players can work to build up their neck muscles much more than hockey players can. Football players can make the trade-off between range of motion in their necks and strength, there is a limit to how far a hockey player can go.
I understand all of these points and agree with all. Having said that, a concussion is caused by the brain bouncing against the side of the skull - proper shock absorption can mitigate this phenomenon. One would think that more could be done than what you see in current helmets. Football helmets are a heck of a lot thicker than anything I've ever seen a hockey player wear, regardless of how much of the face is left open (and I would argue that QBs, WRs and DBs all need almost as much vision as a hockey player requires).

I dunno - I'm sure it's been looked into, but to my casual observation it just seems that there could be more done.

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It's one injury after nother with this kid.

Very frustrating. Forgetting the problem he had fixed, it's starting to get to the range of just being "fragile".

Unfortunatly some guys are just like that, hopefully Sauer isn't one of them but so far it's not looking encouraging.
Agreed. A damn shame because he seems to have a ton of talent. He's still very young. The best thing to do is just rest him for a few months and take it from there. Not looking good at all right now very sorry say

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I'd guess...

that today's helmets are better than the helmets of earlier days (don't want to go back too far when there weren't any helmets). And I think Lindros wore a helmet that's a bit different than many others in the league, so more protection is out there.

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One of the hip surgeries Sauer had was to correct a birth defect.It's not like Sauer had anything to do with that surgery.The other hip surgery corrected a torn labrum which bothered Sauer for 2 years.He had both surgeries with no more issues with either hip.Sauer missed some games with a bruised shoulder last year and then played his *** off for Portland.Sauer suffered the concussion on August 10
The other hip injury, a foot inujury, a concussionm a shoulder injury all in the 12 months he's been in our system.

The question isn't his talent or his effort, both of those are high level, but time and time again there's also an injury involved when mentioning Sauer.

Last year it limited him to 58 games, this year it's impacted his ability to go to the Rangers camp, play in a prospect tournament, play in a WJC camp and has cost him time with his junior camp.

Whether we want to be optimistic or not, there is a very strong concern there especially if more injuries keep popping up over the course of the season.

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that today's helmets are better than the helmets of earlier days (don't want to go back too far when there weren't any helmets). And I think Lindros wore a helmet that's a bit different than many others in the league, so more protection is out there.
Just to expand on your post abit but a conconssion can happen on any play. Helmets add more protection but aren't a fail-safe option.

I'm sure a lot of people know this but Hollwegs career almost ended because of post-concussion syndrome and the helmet he uses is supposed to be the best in the business for hockey players.

I'm not to worried about Sauer and i think it's way to early in the game to call him
"brittle."

If anything he has shown that he has the confidence to come back from injuries and pick up right were he left off..That is something you can't teach a young player..

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Courage is great, but at some point losing development time tends to hurt.

Some players are able to get healthy (McCauley) other players just start to get chipped away at until it's too difficult to play.

While it's too early to label Sauer brittle, there's certainly going to be whisphers at this point.

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Courage is great, but at some point losing development time tends to hurt.

Some players are able to get healthy (McCauley) other players just start to get chipped away at until it's too difficult to play.

While it's too early to label Sauer brittle, there's certainly going to be whisphers at this point.
Some guys it's not going to hurt. Edge I've read many times that Sauer pound for pound has more talent and better instincts than Staal. If that's true and Staal is very talented we shouldn't have much to worry about when it comes to development time. Some guys need it to grow into better players others just don't. The more time the bettter but being extra cautious with somebody like Sauer is not going to hurt him.

Let people whisper about Sauer. Heck, let them shout it from the top of the Empire State Building. The guy will either make it or he won't but missing some time in junior hockey isn't going to kill his career.

Rushing back from a concussion would..

This was a mild risk pick for the Rangers. We all knew it when it was made but it's way to early to get worried about Sauer. Not coming to the big camp isn't a big deal in my eyes. The Rangers felt high enough on the guy that they signed him (dispite the fact he played 58 games last year) and invited him to camp. I think it's sad for the kid but in the long run i think this is much ado about nothing..

than again i've been wrong an awful lot lately so with my luck Sauer will be the counter guy at Tim Hortons in 5 years instead of the co-anchor of our defense..

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It's one injury after nother with this kid.

Very frustrating. Forgetting the problem he had fixed, it's starting to get to the range of just being "fragile".

Unfortunatly some guys are just like that, hopefully Sauer isn't one of them but so far it's not looking encouraging.
I'm still not giving up hope but this is the exact argument we had on draft day.

Sucks.

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Portland Winter Hawk defenseman Michael Sauer, who suffered a concussion during training for the U.S. national junior team, has decided not to attend camp with the NHL’s New York Rangers.

The 19-year-old Sauer has signed with the Rangers, and he was expected to challenge to make the team, but the concussion set him back.

“He was having some effects from that still,” Portland coach Mike Williamson says. “It’s a decision that the Rangers, Mike and his agent came to.”

Sauer went to a neurospecialist in Texas last week and received an adjustment to his skull. He says he feels a lot better and will start skating soon
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sport...16726510518800

An adjustment to his skull?

Jeff Solomon is his agent

The Rangers didn't send Sauer to Dr.Karen Johnston in Montreal who is a concussion specialist.She cleared Ryan Hollweg to play from his serious concussion.The Rangers sent Eric Lindros to her before they completed the Rangers with the Flyers.Remember reading insurance issues prevented U.S. based teams from sending players to Johnston because she is in Canada

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An adjustment to his skull?

Jeff Solomon is his agent

The Rangers didn't send Sauer to Dr.Karen Johnston in Montreal who is a concussion specialist.She cleared Ryan Hollweg to play from his serious concussion.The Rangers sent Eric Lindros to her before they completed the Rangers with the Flyers.Remember reading insurance issues prevented U.S. based teams from sending players to Johnston because she is in Canada
I was just as confused when i read that as well.

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I guess I was a doctor in the old neighborhood, I used to give 'skull adjustments' all the time

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Some guys it's not going to hurt. Edge I've read many times that Sauer pound for pound has more talent and better instincts than Staal. If that's true and Staal is very talented we shouldn't have much to worry about when it comes to development time. Some guys need it to grow into better players others just don't. The more time the bettter but being extra cautious with somebody like Sauer is not going to hurt him.
While that is true to an extent, talent needs experience to grow. Nothing against Sauer but history is filled with guys who were more talented at the same stage whose development was seriously hurt by not playing. Sauer is good but he's not one the all-world level.

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Let people whisper about Sauer. Heck, let them shout it from the top of the Empire State Building. The guy will either make it or he won't but missing some time in junior hockey isn't going to kill his career.
Depends on how much time honestly. And it depends on if he keeps getting hurt, which does eventually tend to chip away at people's ability. Unfortunatly we're not talking about muscle pulls and bruises and when you start getting into hip problems and concussions it has a big impact.

It also prevents him from playing at elite level compeititions like camps and tournaments if the timing falls that away. In Sauer's case it cost him a WJC spot last season and might do so again this season. This are the tournments that can often really help careers and help kids get to that next level.


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Rushing back from a concussion would..

This was a mild risk pick for the Rangers. We all knew it when it was made but it's way to early to get worried about Sauer. Not coming to the big camp isn't a big deal in my eyes. The Rangers felt high enough on the guy that they signed him (dispite the fact he played 58 games last year) and invited him to camp. I think it's sad for the kid but in the long run i think this is much ado about nothing..
If it was one injury maybe, but we can't go more than a few weeks at a time without the kid getting hurt so far. I agree it's too early to go to pieces but it is something to start watching.

The question is not talent or heart, the question at this point is whether this can kid can stay healthy for more than 8 weeks at a time.

I love the kid to death (I think everyone knows me thoughts on him), but this is a big season for him IMO. If he can stay healthy for the season it'll go a long way in a lot of different areas. So far he's not off to a good start.

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