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04-29-2013, 12:58 PM
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As far as wingers who I know anything about that would fit this team go for me in order of preference its:

Wennberg
Erne
Zykov
Mantha
Rychel

But the only one who is realistically an option without trading up are Mantha and Rychel.

We could really use a LW though since both Collberg and Kristo are RW, but obvious BPA is BPA.

I'd probably take any of them before Gauthier tbh.

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There are others for sure as we already mentioned, but when my list is done, it will s urely have more Q players than any other year before. And just for the fun of it, I'm absolutely sure that you could have a draft filled only with Q players. It would be easy to do so this year. You could even add an Andrighetto in the mix of players who were undrafted before as a candidate to be drafted this year for sure.
I agree about Andriguetto. He was a treat to watch this year (and last). He's certainly AHL ready but I think I heard he's playing in Europe next year. Lots of players who are in their second or even third year of eligibility impressed and could be candidates for late round picks. Dea, Clapperton, Trainer, Weegar, Henly. Even a guy like D. Poulin who goes from the whipping boy in Gatineau to a Top pairing D for the second best team in the Q. These guys may not be drafted but they are pro prospects.

Even guys like MA Roy and Dunn should be drafted.

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Zykov won't be available in the second round and you forgot Poirier from gatineau
If he slips... he probably won't but there was some slippage last year and we liked it

Nope... did not forget Poirier. Read and you shall see.

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As far as wingers who I know anything about that would fit this team go for me in order of preference its:

Wennberg
Erne
Zykov
Mantha
Rychel

But the only one who is realistically an option without trading up are Mantha and Rychel.

We could really use a LW though since both Collberg and Kristo are RW, but obvious BPA is BPA.

I'd probably take any of them before Gauthier tbh.
Carrier, Poirier, Burakowsky,Dickinson, De La Rose, Duclair, Reway, Slepyshev

Are all LW, and they will all be available by one of our pick... And they pretty much all have first line upside

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04-29-2013, 01:15 PM
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As far as wingers who I know anything about that would fit this team go for me in order of preference its:

Wennberg
Erne
Zykov
Mantha
Rychel

But the only one who is realistically an option without trading up are Mantha and Rychel.

We could really use a LW though since both Collberg and Kristo are RW, but obvious BPA is BPA.

I'd probably take any of them before Gauthier tbh.
Wennberg is more of a center, no?

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Wennberg is more of a center, no?
He can play all three F positions, like most of the swedes.

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Carrier, Poirier, Burakowsky,Dickinson, De La Rose, Duclair, Reway, Slepyshev

Are all LW, and they will all be available by one of our pick... And they pretty much all have first line upside
From what I've heard, De La Rose is the furthest thing from 1st line upside.

Burakowsky is a Timmins pick - Has all the tools, just needs to put it together

Duclair might fall out of the 1st round, serious questions about his character - I wouldn't touch him with a 2nd based on what I've heard.

Carrier, Zykov, Burakowsky are all huge picks if Montreal can get one. All have top line potential, I'd say Burakowsky and Zykov are closer then Carrier though.

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From what I've heard, De La Rose is the furthest thing from 1st line upside.

Burakowsky is a Timmins pick - Has all the tools, just needs to put it together

Duclair might fall out of the 1st round, serious questions about his character - I wouldn't touch him with a 2nd based on what I've heard.

Carrier, Zykov, Burakowsky are all huge picks if Montreal can get one. All have top line potential, I'd say Burakowsky and Zykov are closer then Carrier though.
De La Rose could be anything really.
Duclair will never get drafted in the first round, he will go 35-70.


And if we draft Burakowsky with one of our 2 first picks, I'll be a happy camper. Same thing for Carrier with our 2 2nds.

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04-29-2013, 01:21 PM
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Wennberg is more of a center, no?
He mostly plays center but he has experience playing LW and can play in all three positions. He'd make a good winger in the NHL IMO.

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Carrier, Poirier, Burakowsky,Dickinson, De La Rose, Duclair, Reway, Slepyshev

Are all LW, and they will all be available by one of our pick... And they pretty much all have first line upside
Burakowsky is definitely in the same category as the others for me, forgot about him. Carrier not far behind either. Carrier would be great with one of the 2nds.

DLR like Gauthier I question his upside but he would be an asset.


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Carrier, Poirier, Burakowsky,Dickinson, De La Rose, Duclair, Reway, Slepyshev

Are all LW, and they will all be available by one of our pick... And they pretty much all have first line upside
One thing that I like about Dickinson is that he got significant experience at centre this year, and looked good doing it. He's mainly a left winger, but he can play the right side too. Love the versatility and the fact that he very easily could become a centre at the next level.

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I have a feeling we're going to pick Yann-Pavel Laplante. From what I read of him, he sounds like a Timmins pick.

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I have a feeling we're going to pick Yann-Pavel Laplante. From what I read of him, he sounds like a Timmins pick.
Being from the West Coast I haven't heard much about him,could you expand your thoughts.....thanks

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When comparing the Q prospects to the O prospects, it seems to me that many O prospects are trending in the wrong direction. Still, there's obvious talent there - but not as exciting as in the Q.

First round

I'd love it if Zadarov would slip all the way to our pick, although very unlikely. It could happen with Domi or Horvat. Domi's a clown but his skills are there and I now believe they will translate to the NHL. Horvat would be a decent pick for our first. Rychel might also slip although he's not my favourite. Hartman's rated mid first round by many. I think he slips.

Second round

If we could get Dickinson or Natasiuk with one of our early second round picks, I'm sure most people would be satisfied. I wouldn't mind Bigras with our later second round pick but he might be gone by then. Other than that, there's really nobody I would be overjoyed to get in the second round.

Middle rounds

Justin Bailey in the 3rd. Sure. Baptiste? Maybe. There are certainly lots of players who've had difficult seasons that might draw interest. Kujawinski and Harper were considered possible first rounders before the season started. Now? 4th round, 5th round. A guy like Moutrey might be a better prospect at this point.

In the later rounds, I'd certainly look at Harpur, Cassels and Silk if they are still there.

There are other good players that will be drafted from the O... just not the quantity and quality we are used to.

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Considering what Grant said, and he's normally right when it comes to the Habs, we're not gonna select Carrier.

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When comparing the Q prospects to the O prospects, it seems to me that many O prospects are trending in the wrong direction. Still, there's obvious talent there - but not as exciting as in the Q.

First round

I'd love it if Zadarov would slip all the way to our pick, although very unlikely. It could happen with Domi or Horvat. Domi's a clown but his skills are there and I now believe they will translate to the NHL. Horvat would be a decent pick for our first. Rychel might also slip although he's not my favourite. Hartman's rated mid first round by many. I think he slips.

Second round

If we could get Dickinson or Natasiuk with one of our early second round picks, I'm sure most people would be satisfied. I wouldn't mind Bigras with our later second round pick but he might be gone by then. Other than that, there's really nobody I would be overjoyed to get in the second round.

Middle rounds

Justin Bailey in the 3rd. Sure. Baptiste? Maybe. There are certainly lots of players who've had difficult seasons that might draw interest. Kujawinski and Harper were considered possible first rounders before the season started. Now? 4th round, 5th round. A guy like Moutrey might be a better prospect at this point.

In the later rounds, I'd certainly look at Harpur, Cassels and Silk if they are still there.

There are other good players that will be drafted from the O... just not the quantity and quality we are used to.
The quantity and quality is still up there... I don't see where you're coming with this... Zadorov will go top 10, Dickinson and Nasty will likely go 20-40... Domi and Horvat will go 10-30...

I don't know which one really fell... outside of Bailey.

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I have a feeling we're going to pick Yann-Pavel Laplante. From what I read of him, he sounds like a Timmins pick.
I wouldn't be surprised, especially if he is there for our Dallas 3rd.

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Upside is never a guarantee to be reached. Gauthier is not a prospect who threatens me.
Upside is the whole reason for having early picks vs late picks or FA's.

In the early rounds you go for players with a high ceiling and you try to develop them up to that ceiling. Gauthier potentially being a highly productive NHL player will probably get him drafted before 20th pick overall.

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Upside is the whole reason for having early picks vs late picks or FA's.

In the early rounds you go for players with a high ceiling and you try to develop them up to that ceiling. Gauthier potentially being a highly productive NHL player will probably get him drafted before 20th pick overall.
Gauthier's absolute upside is that of a 2-way big-framed somewhat perimeter 2nd line Center. How does that alone make him a top 20 pick

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Here's a un-detailed version of my mock.. Posting the version with reasoning to the Mock Draft forums if interested..

1. Florida Panthers: Nathan MacKinnon
2. Colorado Avalanche: Seth Jones
3. Tampa Bay Lightning: Jonathon Drouin
4. Nashville Predators: Sasha Barkov
5. Carolina Hurricanes: Darnell Nurse.
6. Calgary Flames: Sean Monahan
7. Edmonton Oilers: Rasmus Ristolainen
8. Buffalo Sabres: Elias Lindholm
9. New Jersey Devils: Valeri Nichuskin
10. Dallas Stars: Hunter Shinkaruk
11. Philadelphia Flyers: Nikita Zadorov
12. Phoenix Coyotes: Ryan Pulock
13. Winnipeg Jets: Max Domi
14. Columbus Blue Jackets: Curtis Lazar
15. New York Islanders: Mirco Mueller
16. Buffalo Sabres via Minnesota Wild: Zach Fucale
17. Ottawa Senators: Alexander Wennberg
18. Detroit Red Wings: Valentin Zykov
19. Columbus Blue Jackets via New York Rangers: Adam Erne
20. San Jose Sharks: Bo Horvat
21. Washington Capitals: Robert Hagg
22. Toronto Maple Leafs: Zach Nastasiuk
23. Vancouver Canucks: Frederick Gauthier
24. Columbus Blue Jackets via L.A. - Anthony Mantha
25. Calgary Flames via St. Louis Blues: Ryan Hartman
26. Boston Bruins: Justin Bailey
27. Montreal Canadiens: Kerby Rychel
28. Anaheim Ducks: Josh Morrissey
29. Calgary Flames via Pittsburgh Penguins: Jacob De La Rose
30. Chicago Blackhawks: Shea Theodore

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No way Morrissey goes as late as 28th.

I'd also be shocked if the Coyotes pass on Domi for ANOTHER D.

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Here's a un-detailed version of my mock.. Posting the version with reasoning to the Mock Draft forums if interested..

1. Florida Panthers: Nathan MacKinnon
2. Colorado Avalanche: Seth Jones
3. Tampa Bay Lightning: Jonathon Drouin
4. Nashville Predators: Sasha Barkov
5. Carolina Hurricanes: Darnell Nurse.
6. Calgary Flames: Sean Monahan
7. Edmonton Oilers: Rasmus Ristolainen
8. Buffalo Sabres: Elias Lindholm
9. New Jersey Devils: Valeri Nichuskin
10. Dallas Stars: Hunter Shinkaruk
11. Philadelphia Flyers: Nikita Zadorov
12. Phoenix Coyotes: Ryan Pulock
13. Winnipeg Jets: Max Domi
14. Columbus Blue Jackets: Curtis Lazar
15. New York Islanders: Mirco Mueller
16. Buffalo Sabres via Minnesota Wild: Zach Fucale
17. Ottawa Senators: Alexander Wennberg
18. Detroit Red Wings: Valentin Zykov
19. Columbus Blue Jackets via New York Rangers: Adam Erne
20. San Jose Sharks: Bo Horvat
21. Washington Capitals: Robert Hagg
22. Toronto Maple Leafs: Zach Nastasiuk
23. Vancouver Canucks: Frederick Gauthier
24. Columbus Blue Jackets via L.A. - Anthony Mantha
25. Calgary Flames via St. Louis Blues: Ryan Hartman
26. Boston Bruins: Justin Bailey
27. Montreal Canadiens: Kerby Rychel
28. Anaheim Ducks: Josh Morrissey
29. Calgary Flames via Pittsburgh Penguins: Jacob De La Rose
30. Chicago Blackhawks: Shea Theodore

Why is Morrissey almost falling outside the first round ? And why is Bailey being picked in the first round ? (I love him, but I tought mid 2nd would be better suited.)

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Why is Morrissey almost falling outside the first round ? And why is Bailey being picked in the first round ? (I love him, but I tought mid 2nd would be better suited.)
I think Boston takes a chance on Bailey because they like to take big bodied players with talent then try to groom them to play the Bruins game.

I had Morrissey dropping only because I couldn't see other teams selecting him before other players (similar to Collberg dropping last year). Is there a team you think would grab him over who I have them selecting.

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No way Morrissey goes as late as 28th.
Actually, the only thing I could see is Hagg and Morrissey trading places. I think I might have Hagg a bit too high, in retrospect.

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The quantity and quality is still up there... I don't see where you're coming with this... Zadorov will go top 10, Dickinson and Nasty will likely go 20-40... Domi and Horvat will go 10-30...

I don't know which one really fell... outside of Bailey.
I don't think Bailey fell in the rankings.

But if you follow the OHL, you'll know that last year or before this year, guys like Kujawinski, Harper, Pederson, Maletta, Silk, Garlent, Dempsey, Perklin, Bateman, Terkey, Varga, Vlajkov, ... were all prospects to various degrees. Kujawinski and Harper were considered first rounders but are not anymore, not anywhere close. Guys like Maletta, Dempsey, Perklin and Bateman were all OHL first rounders who have "fallen" big time in their two years in the O.

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I think Boston takes a chance on Bailey because they like to take big bodied players with talent then try to groom them to play the Bruins game.

I had Morrissey dropping only because I couldn't see other teams selecting him before other players (similar to Collberg dropping last year). Is there a team you think would grab him over who I have them selecting.
Fair enough, I agree on Bailey, I like his upside alot. Would be thrilled if we took him in the 2nd round, not so much in the 1st.

For Morrissey, I could see Calgary, Colombus, Vancouver, San Jose and Detroit taking him.

I really don't think Calgary and Colombus would draft three forwards also.

But other than that, I agree with most of your choices !

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