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04-28-2013, 08:29 PM
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Id want olek/morrow back
Neither is really available. One of the two will replace Daley in the future.

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04-28-2013, 08:51 PM
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Id want olek/morrow back
But you wouldn't take Dillon?? (BTW I would never trade him)

He's been arguably the most impressive rookie d-man this year, and I value him over Oleksiak/Morrow because he's proven he can do it at the NHL level

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But you wouldn't take Dillon?? (BTW I would never trade him)

He's been arguably the most impressive rookie d-man this year, and I value him over Oleksiak/Morrow because he's proven he can do it at the NHL level
I like him but his upside isnt as high

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04-28-2013, 09:50 PM
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lolwut

So you're expecting us to give up one of the top D prospects in the league... and a top 10 pick...


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04-28-2013, 09:57 PM
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lolwut

So you're expecting us to give up one of the top D prospects in the league... and a top 10 pick...

To move from 10 to 3 this doesn't seem like very much to me.

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lolwut

So you're expecting us to give up one of the top D prospects in the league... and a top 10 pick...

Moving from 10 into the top 5(if there is even a team willing to move down) isnt going to come cheap. We're going to have to give someone up that we really dont want to. otherwise its not worth if from the other teams point of view.

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This is a weird argument. If Nieuwendyk hadn't been fired does that make him better? No, it makes him an ok GM whose team couldn't hire a better person for the job. Hint, there's a chance your team could be in that same scenario.
He was fired because he was a terrible GM. If he wasn't fired then Stars ownership would just be complacent and he would still be a bad GM.

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04-29-2013, 12:30 AM
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He was fired because he was a terrible GM. If he wasn't fired then Stars ownership would just be complacent and he would still be a bad GM.
Then give your reasons for why he was a bad GM, don't use his dismissal as evidence. That's lazy and weak.

FWIW I was ready to move on and was never really on board with him being hired in the first place. However, he wasn't a "terrible" GM, he was mediocre in some areas and pretty solid in others.

Regarding the current pissing match between Nieuwendyk and Feaster, each has one wacky 1st round pick to their name as well.

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Your pick + Roussel for Edmonton's pick.

You can get a guy like Lindholm or Monahan and Edmonton can take Lazar and add a mean, gritty role player that can chip in offensively.

Good for both teams.

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Your pick + Roussel for Edmonton's pick.

You can get a guy like Lindholm or Monahan and Edmonton can take Lazar and add a mean, gritty role player that can chip in offensively.

Good for both teams.
I love Roussel (duh he's my avatar) but I couldn't pass that up.

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I love Roussel (duh he's my avatar) but I couldn't pass that up.
I can't help but feel like that the actual cost would be greater than that. Too good to be true.

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04-29-2013, 03:25 AM
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I can't help but feel like that the actual cost would be greater than that. Too good to be true.
EDM gave up a 3rd for a soon to be UFA Fistric.

They want toughness and are clearly willing to pay for it.

From what I saw this year, Roussel plays a pest role that the Oilers currently do not have.

He would be a perfect fit for the Oil and well worth moving back a few draft spots.

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lolwut

So you're expecting us to give up one of the top D prospects in the league... and a top 10 pick...

No. Im saying a young top d is the only reason we would deal the pick. Ill let others argue value.

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Daley+12th pick for top 5 pick and low rounder---

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Daley+12th pick for top 5 pick and low rounder---
Where did we get the 12th pick?

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Jamie Benn to Avs for 2nd overall
Duchene for a conditional 7th in 2019

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And what person just got fired?

Keep hanging on to that cup win, im sure you're due for another soon...

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Bad deal for the Avs IMO.

I wouldn't do it, Mackinnon will likely be better then Benn, much better.
It's a great deal for the Avs, don't be a homer. The odds of MacK becoming Benn or better are lower than him becoming better than Benn.

Of course, as a rebuilding club we're better off playing the roll of the dice and keeping the younger guy that we can develop and will be cheaper for a longer period of time. Doesn't mean Benn isn't worth the #2 Overall + More,

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Every year one or two teams seem open to trade down, I think this year will be no different.

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Every year one or two teams seem open to trade down, I think this year will be no different.
Also, it should be noted that it seems like every year, there's one or two prospects in the top 5-6 consensus draft picks, who drops 10-15 spots lower than most thought he would go.

Not sure who the Stars scouting staff have their eye on, whether or not they're thinking of moving up to nab him. I guess most of it depends on where they end up after tonight's lottery. The rest falls on luck and what the other teams ahead of the Stars have planned.

Barkov at 10th? Perhaps.

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MacT today said he'll be willing to trade down because he is impressed with a few prospects.

would DAL 1st + BOS 1st for 7th overall be fair?

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MacT today said he'll be willing to trade down because he is impressed with a few prospects.

would DAL 1st + BOS 1st for 7th overall be fair?
It is a conditional 1st if they win 2 rounds.

Also moving up 3 spots in exchange for 27-30th is bananas.

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It is a conditional 1st if they win 2 rounds.

Also moving up 3 spots in exchange for 27-30th is bananas.
I'd do it. If we move up to 7, we are for sure gonna get a guy like Monahan/Barkov/Nicushkin

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I'd do Dallas 10th plus the first of the 2nd round picks for 7th. If they move up to 4th or 5th then yeah I'd give up Boston's first + to do that.

I like Roussel but that 7th pick should equal Lindholm or Monahan that's a win for me.

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As I said in another thread: I keep on seeing threads with fans wanting to move up in the draft, and haven't really seen any (may have missed 1 or 2) that have been started where a fan wants to move out of the top 3 or top 5 or top 10 for lower picks.

Don't think there is a market for such a deal. I can see someone at 7 or 8 moving down a little, but can't see anyone in the top 3 for sure, and probably top 5, looking to move down.
Fans on this website value first overalls above Cups. The average poster in the Trade/Free Agent forum would build a younger version of the Oilers if they were a GM, and they'd fail even worse than the Oilers have.
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Good post. There has to be a market for it. I doubt anyone want to move that far down, unless they get an absolute overpayment.
The word "overpayment" gets used sooooo often in this thread. Would a proven NHL scorer get you the first overall pick in this draft? Absolutely, if the team drafting wanted a scorer more than a top D-man. Is that "overpayment?"
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But how often do teams trade out of the top 5? Between lockouts the only two I can remember are the Islanders in 2008 and the Leafs with the 2nd overall in 2010, which they traded way before the draft and way before they knew they'd be picking that high.
Down to positions and value. In the NFL, there are 9ish distinct positions on the field, teams often only need 2 players in those positions, and first round picks need to contribute immediately. In the NHL, there are only 3 distinct positions on the ice, teams need multiple players in 2 of those positions and first round picks are generally allowed to take another year or two in juniors / NCAA before they sign. As such, "Just take the player we think is best, there will be room for him" is the overwhelming tendency in the NHL. Trading down doesn't happen that often, but that doesn't mean the value isn't there and a GM wouldn't do it.
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Jamie Benn to Avs for 2nd overall
You're high. Jamie Benn is a proven NHL player. Cam Barker, Andrew Ladd, Blake Wheeler, Benoit Pouliot, Erik Johnson, Thomas Hickey, Karl Alzner, Zach Bogosian and Luke Schenn were top-5 picks between 2004-2009. Benn is clearly better than them all, and you could argue another couple names onto that list. Trading Jamie Benn for a pick is a terrible idea for Dallas.
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What teams GM just got fired again?

We will be happy rip the Stars off for another Iginla though. Cheers.
What does the first part have to do with the second? And 100% of Stars fan love the Nieuwendyk-for-Iginla trade. It was vital to a Cup win, which probably would have been two if not for Bryan Marchment's dirty play.
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He was fired because he was a terrible GM. If he wasn't fired then Stars ownership would just be complacent and he would still be a bad GM.
No, he wasn't. Spend more time reading the Stars board. Just don't post there. Good God, please don't post there.
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I'd do it. If we move up to 7, we are for sure gonna get a guy like Monahan/Barkov/Nicushkin
I would do this if I were Dallas. Dallas doesn't need depth, Dallas has cash to burn, they need top players.

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