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04-29-2013, 01:50 PM
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1.) Giroux has a history of injuries;

2.) He's redheaded.
1) Giroux missed 5 games last year due to a concussion. Still put up 93 points. He signed his contract coming off back to back 82 game seasons.

2) He's not a step child.

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Tortorella also praised center Derek Stepan, who was named the NHL's Third Star of the Month for April for registering 19 points (8-11-19) and a +14 plus/minus rating in 14 games.

"He has evolved," Tortorella said of Stepan. "He started the year as out No. 2 center, and I worried if he could handle that. And now he's our No. 1 center. I am totally confident he will be able to handle things going into this playoff series."
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Must be nice to hear that about yourself from someone like Torts. For me personally, that tough love stuff really does work with bosses, mentors etc. It's not for everybody, but for some people, getting a sincere compliment from someone who is real stingy with them can provide a huge confidence boost. Let's hope that this praise lights a fire under Step.

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Is torts feeling alright dishing out praises like that... he must be smoking somemthing

all jokes aside thought its great to hear something like this coming from a coach who rarely hands out praise to his players publicly... he may do it behind closed doors but we do not know that...

Im sure Stepan is well aware of the comment and willl continue his great play into the playoffs

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Must be nice to hear that about yourself from someone like Torts. For me personally, that tough love stuff really does work with bosses, mentors etc. It's not for everybody, but for some people, getting a sincere compliment from someone who is real stingy with them can provide a huge confidence boost. Let's hope that this praise lights a fire under Step.
Not to get OT, but psychologists say that negative reinforcement doesn't work, or at least not as well as positive reinforcement. I question that because of how many coaches use it. However, it onl works for SOME people. I've experienced this recently in my own life. I have had people yell at me and criticize me (negative reinforcement) because they wanted me to change. Recently I've had the opposite, some people, friends praising me, and I have really improved as a person. I'm the type of person that if you yell at me and tell me how much I suck, I will start believe and acting like I suck. But if you tell me, hey snowblind, you're a cool guy, I think, maybe I am, and act accordingly. I REALLY hope that Kreider is not that type of person.

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Not to get OT, but psychologists say that negative reinforcement doesn't work, or at least not as well as positive reinforcement. I question that because of how many coaches use it. However, it onl works for SOME people. I've experienced this recently in my own life. I have had people yell at me and criticize me (negative reinforcement) because they wanted me to change. Recently I've had the opposite, some people, friends praising me, and I have really improved as a person. I'm the type of person that if you yell at me and tell me how much I suck, I will start believe and acting like I suck. But if you tell me, hey snowblind, you're a cool guy, I think, maybe I am, and act accordingly. I REALLY hope that Kreider is not that type of person.
[NITPICKING][PSYCH 101]

Negative reinforcement is when you reward (reinforce) behaviour by removing (negative) a noxious stimuli.

What you are talking about is called positive punishment. You punish something by adding (positive) a noxious stimuli, in this case yelling and benchings.

[/PSYCH 101]

These are always mixed up in everyday speech, and it gets on my ****.

[/NITPICKING]

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[NITPICKING][PSYCH 101]

Negative reinforcement is when you reward (reinforce) behaviour by removing (negative) a noxious stimuli.

What you are talking about is called positive punishment. You punish something by adding (positive) a noxious stimuli, in this case yelling and benchings.

[/PSYCH 101]

These are always mixed up in everyday speech, and it gets on my ****.

[/NITPICKING]
Damn, I just looked it up and you're right. And here I thought I was smart.

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04-29-2013, 03:57 PM
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[NITPICKING][PSYCH 101]

Negative reinforcement is when you reward (reinforce) behaviour by removing (negative) a noxious stimuli.

What you are talking about is called positive punishment. You punish something by adding (positive) a noxious stimuli, in this case yelling and benchings.

[/PSYCH 101]

These are always mixed up in everyday speech, and it gets on my ****.

[/NITPICKING]
Wouldn't benching be negative punishment? You're not really adding the bench, more like you're taking away ice time.

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Not to get OT, but psychologists say that negative reinforcement doesn't work, or at least not as well as positive reinforcement. I question that because of how many coaches use it. However, it onl works for SOME people. I've experienced this recently in my own life. I have had people yell at me and criticize me (negative reinforcement) because they wanted me to change. Recently I've had the opposite, some people, friends praising me, and I have really improved as a person. I'm the type of person that if you yell at me and tell me how much I suck, I will start believe and acting like I suck. But if you tell me, hey snowblind, you're a cool guy, I think, maybe I am, and act accordingly. I REALLY hope that Kreider is not that type of person.
Yeah, it's a person to person thing I think. For me personally, I didn't think I'd respond well to that sort of motivation, but when it came down to it, I actually did. Though there's a large difference between berating someone about their shortcomings and just being honest and not coddling them at first. It's a fine line.

Anyway, I hope that Step is the kind of guy who responds well to the hard-earned praise he's getting from the coach. Step continuing his recent play into the first round would be a huge difference maker.

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Some people thrive off of the yelling and benchings. I myself am one of those people. Positive reinforcement helps too every once in a while, but when someone tells me I'm not good enough I say to myself "oh really? **** you I'm going to do everything I can to prove you wrong."

That's the philosophy behind coaches that use that type of strategy. You vs them. Doesn;t work for everyone though.

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Yeah, it's a person to person thing I think. For me personally, I didn't think I'd respond well to that sort of motivation, but when it came down to it, I actually did. Though there's a large difference between berating someone about their shortcomings and just being honest and not coddling them at first. It's a fine line.

Anyway, I hope that Step is the kind of guy who responds well to the hard-earned praise he's getting from the coach. Step continuing his recent play into the first round would be a huge difference maker.
I think we live and die on Stepan this series tbh. If Stepan steps up and plays like he has been playing recently, we win this series. If he fails to produce, we're in deep ****.

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Wouldn't benching be negative punishment? You're not really adding the bench, more like you're taking away ice time.
Good point! I just threw out shouting and benching since that's what Torts does the most (to my limited understanding), but benchings should indeed be classified as negative punishments.

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I think we live and die on Stepan this series tbh. If Stepan steps up and plays like he has been playing recently, we win this series. If he fails to produce, we're in deep ****.
Unless Playoff Beaver shows up.

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Unless Playoff Beaver shows up.
Even with playoff beaver. Those two decide how far we go.

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Even with playoff beaver. Those two decide how far we go.
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Not to get OT, but psychologists say that negative reinforcement doesn't work, or at least not as well as positive reinforcement. I question that because of how many coaches use it. However, it onl works for SOME people. I've experienced this recently in my own life. I have had people yell at me and criticize me (negative reinforcement) because they wanted me to change. Recently I've had the opposite, some people, friends praising me, and I have really improved as a person. I'm the type of person that if you yell at me and tell me how much I suck, I will start believe and acting like I suck. But if you tell me, hey snowblind, you're a cool guy, I think, maybe I am, and act accordingly. I REALLY hope that Kreider is not that type of person.
Different people respond to different kind of leaders. If Cally, Hags, or, the topic at hand, Stepan have a bonehead move and get back to the bench to find Torts reacting to the tone of "Exactly what the **** was that? Get it together, or you're not going to play", they could very well feed off of that as a challenge. I'm using those 3 because they're on the line, and they're all hard working types. Someone else might hear that and get a little more down trodden, which, in such a case, it's on Torts to know how and when to approach that player.

Something tells me if Step has a bad game and a coach tears into him a little, he takes it as a challenge to come back harder. Just seems like that kind of player.

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Don't know what it's worth, but whenever I come to a game early to catch pre-game warmups, Steps is always the one "in charge." He's the one distributing the pucks when they practice one timers and breakaways on Hank, and the one who gets all of the pucks out of the net.

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Don't know what it's worth, but whenever I come to a game early to catch pre-game warmups, Steps is always the one "in charge." He's the one distributing the pucks when they practice one timers and breakaways on Hank, and the one who gets all of the pucks out of the net.
That's usually just a younger guy doing that. Dubinsky used to do it.

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I voted Steps here. I think the fact that he was not suppose to be a s good as he was this year was the factor for me. Without Steps at the middle of the year there is no way we make the playoffs. His day is coming is coming as a Ranger as long as we lock him up this summer.

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Stepan was the biggest bargain the NHL according to GVS (Goals Versus Salary):

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Best contract value by GVS, skaters: Stepan 17.4, T Hall 15.4, Dupuis 14.8, Tlusty 14.6, Kunitz 14.0, Kadri 14.0, Subban 12.9, Letestu 12.5
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Nash?
Eh, of course it would help if he shows up, but even if he produces at a hurt Gabby-like pace like last year I don't think we'll live and die by him this series.

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Torts on Stepan: "He’s a 22 year old guy that I use in every freakin’ situation." Loves his No. 1 center's intangibles.

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Matt Oates loves the Torts quotes.

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Entering next season, I strongly now feel that if either Richards or Callahan misses a game, the "A" should be on Stepan's jersey; he has earned it through his play. (Girardi would still be the backup "A" for Staal.)

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Entering next season, I strongly now feel that if either Richards or Callahan misses a game, the "A" should be on Stepan's jersey; he has earned it through his play. (Girardi would still be the backup "A" for Staal.)
they will give him the A after they trade staal and buyout richards

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