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Loads of Canucks playoff tickets available raising questions about Vancouver market

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04-29-2013, 12:20 PM
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They completely priced me out to be honest and I'm certainly not struggling financially. It's not because of a lack of interest but when you're already living in one of the more expensive cities in North America, dropping $500.00 for a pair of tickets would be downright irresponsible in my mind, especially when you have an overpriced mortgage to pay.

I have a friend with season tickets and he had a hard time moving his tickets this year without a steep discount. Not because of lack of interest, but because most people simply can't afford them. The lockout didn't help either and the Canucks did very little in terms of fan out reach, again, because they didn't have to, but all that stuff adds up.

If the tickets dropped by 20% they would probably sell out in 5minutes. As it is, the Canucks will make more money yet sell out a little slower. They still have the longest active sell out streak in the NHL, until that changes, the prices will continue to climb.

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04-29-2013, 12:22 PM
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I paid $250 to see Selanne return to Winnipeg last year and I have no regrets. I've never seen playoff hockey. I would easily pay $400 for a nosebleeds seat.

Vancouver will sell out.

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04-29-2013, 12:26 PM
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Slightly smaller building with 2.5 times the population has to be considered here as well as a much larger corporate base which, lets face it, is the only reason either market has been able to sell-out consistently at these prices.... I don't think it has anything to do with bandwagons or "atlanta brave syndrome" or Luongo (though AV might think its Ballard's fault), its just economics.
The bolded for sure, and a combination of all of the points Ive listed above pretty much my take on it. I had ST's years ago but rarely attended (not a fan of "Game Presentations; Meat Draws" nor at that time seeing Brashear out there during the last 2 minutes of a game with the Nucks down by a goal etc etc etc), gave em' away to friends with kids, stopped subscribing. Colossal waste of money.

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Be that as it may, consider that people pay double & treble that amount for a Regular Season Game in Toronto, and have for over a decade now, virtually since the Leafs moved into the ACC.
Makes me wonder who these people are. How many individuals, corporations, etc are scooping up tickets at those prices. Talk about the playground of the mega-rich.

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04-29-2013, 01:09 PM
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But that "unbiased" study said Vancouver can support two NHL teams.
Please don't tell me you are using this piece as a reason why they can't.

Just because most fans aren't willing to shell out $250 for one seat in the first round of the playoffs doesn't mean that the city couldn't support a second team at reasonable above league average prices.

But that will never happen because it will devalue the worth of the Canucks and there are probably markets elsewhere that would be a better return on the dollar than a second Vancouver franchise(like Seattle).

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04-29-2013, 01:35 PM
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Please don't tell me you are using this piece as a reason why they can't.

Just because most fans aren't willing to shell out $250 for one seat in the first round of the playoffs doesn't mean that the city couldn't support a second team at reasonable above league average prices.

But that will never happen because it will devalue the worth of the Canucks and there are probably markets elsewhere that would be a better return on the dollar than a second Vancouver franchise(like Seattle).
Ha I didn't think Vancouver could support a second team before I ever saw this thread. Vancouver is a great market for hockey. The Canucks bring in a lot of revenue, have good corporate support, high ticket prices, good ratings, etc. But it isn't New York or Toronto. A second NHL team in BC would be a big waste of time.

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Please don't tell me you are using this piece as a reason why they can't.
Ya, that Mowat Study out of the University of Toronto's pretty crazy really. They talk about adding 2 teams to the GTA proper, another in Hamilton, Kitchener/Waterloo or London. Another added to Montreal. Halifax, Saskatoon, and of course a 2nd to either South Surrey or somewhere out in the Fraser Valley (Abbotsford I presume).

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Toronto pays that for regular season games.
twice the populatoin.. duh

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Just wondering, other than "why aren't these customers as easy to rip-off as they used to be?" what 'questions' does this raise?

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04-29-2013, 03:07 PM
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Toronto pays that for regular season games.
TO is 2x the size with a massive corporate base.

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I think ours are more expensive than Montreal. I also read that the cheapest seats in Vancouver are more expensive than the cheapest seats in Toronto. That's BS if true.


Paying 800+ for 2 lower bowl tickets isn't going to fly for round 1. Vancouver is ridiculously expensive as it is.
Yeah, the price of Vancouver's nosebleeds are stupid high. Toronto's are actually quite reasonable ($56-76 for standing and back of upper bowl) for playoff hockey, if your lucky to snag one of the 500 or so that aren't held by legacy season ticket holders.

The prices even out between Toronto and Vancouver in the lower part of the upper bowl and the top of the lower, but the Leafs prices go skyward the closer to the ice one gets.

Toronto obviously has a larger corporate and population that these tickets can be sold to though. Vancouver charging what they do, where they do (upper bowl), is nothing short of gouging and I don't blame many fans for staying away.

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I paid $250 to see Selanne return to Winnipeg last year and I have no regrets. I've never seen playoff hockey. I would easily pay $400 for a nosebleeds seat.

Vancouver will sell out.
Except many fans have seen a playoff game and really aren't ready to shell out for round 1 again.

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04-29-2013, 03:25 PM
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Socialists about to win BC election too better save some scratch cuz taxes are about to skyrocket.
Wonder how those $450M FastFerries are workin out for Abu Dhabi by way of Washington Marine Group who dropped all of $19M for the 3 of em, way less than even their salvage value? Real nice to see Kyle Washington & Jon Whitworth doing so well. Makes me feel warm all over. Supporting local businesses & businessmen like that. And here we go again. Socialists back for more likely. Alternative Energy Wind Turbines no doubt planned for Georgia Straight, built on top of a new Chunnel connecting Richmond to Sooke Harbour. Long way around the Gulf Islands of course. Lots of zig zags, switchbacks. 100 Fathoms down, 600', 4 hours in a decompression chamber when you arrive either side. Speed & there'll be one Hell of an ugly explosion in your car... you & whoever else is riding along. You wont be complainin' bout the price of Nucks tickets then, no Siree Bob.

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Toronto the outlier, not the mean.

Not many here doubt Vancouver's dedication to their hockey team and all one can read into this story is that Canucks have priced themselves out of the market.

Vancouver is not Toronto or Montreal in size or wealth. Charging prices equal or higher than both markets, even and despite having a Stanley Cup contender, will not translate into the same demand.
Heck, Toronto may be special but even in Montreal I would not pay those prices for 1st round.

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TO is 2x the size with a massive corporate base.
Why can't this be an excuse for the southern teams. Either the standard is the same or its not.

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Why can't this be an excuse for the southern teams. Either the standard is the same or its not.
It's not an 'excuse.' There's a difference between games not being sold out three days before puckdrop and having crappy attendance and bleeding money 12 months of the year. If you can't see that difference, nobody here can help you.

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It's not an 'excuse.' There's a difference between games not being sold out three days before puckdrop and having crappy attendance and bleeding money 12 months of the year. If you can't see that difference, nobody here can help you.
Thing is a Nashville one day will be in the situation and they wont get the leeway.

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How much higher (%) are playoff tickets than the same regular season tickets? I actually like the fact the organization is charging such high prices but after taking a look at them they do seem a little too high.


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Thing is a Nashville one day will be in the situation and they wont get the leeway.
There are only 3 healthy markets that are worthy of having teams.

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How much higher (%) are playoff tickets than the same regular season tickets? I actually like the fact the organization is charging such high prices but after taking a look at them they do seem a little too high.
Toronto raised the price by 75% for round one.

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Toronto raised the price by 75% for round one.
.... yep. Sounds about right. Saw that on the other thread. Unbelievable.

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.... yep. Sounds about right. Saw that on the other thread. Unbelievable.
I wonder how tough it will be to get into the Real Sports bar? Probably have to get there by noon and just keep ordering

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So what I'm hearing is that it's okay for Vancouver playoff tickets to be sluggish for any of a number of reasons listed above, but when fans in Florida or Atlanta or Carolina didn't want to show up to watch bad regular season hockey, it's because they're terrible markets that don't support the team or sport.

Just glad we've cleared that up.
When those markets maintain 95% capacity despite an average ticket price of $250 then you should see fewer complaints about them. As it is, those markets might sell out in the first round of the playoffs or average respectible capacities during the regular season, but their average ticket prices are closer to $50. It's hardly comparable

Those markets also had total revenues around $50 million each, not including revenue sharing whereas Vancouver's total revenues exceed $130 million. Until those markets have both respectable attendance AND healthy revenues, they will continue to be met with criticism on the HOF business boards.

Baby steps I guess..

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Took a look at those prices..yikes. $150 for corner seats in the highest row of the upper deck. Singles seat in the Best Buy Club section for $400 and that's in the nose bleeds above the upper deck. $250 for a seat in the final row of the lower deck behind the net. And $410 for a seat in the final row in the corner of the lower deck.

Those should be prices in the third round of the playoffs, not the first round. I wuold only expect those prices for the first round in three places - Montreal, Toronto and New York.

The fans have balked and rightfully so.

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How much higher (%) are playoff tickets than the same regular season tickets? I actually like the fact the organization is charging such high prices but after taking a look at them they do seem a little too high.
Montréal seems to be 100% increase. If I'm right cheapest ticket for a single game is 32$ (you are closer to the roof than to the row infront of you. And cheapest ticket for single playoff game is 64$.

But I guess some teams are not making as much money on a shorter season than they do on a 41 home games one.

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