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04-29-2013, 07:19 PM
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For sure there is potential, never said there was none. He's just not my type of pick at 15. There's much better players. The two Q guys have been hyped to a certain point where I don't really know why... Picking him 15th would means you pick him ahead of guys like Mackinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov, Nichuskin, Nurse, Monahan, Lindholm, Shinkaruk Pulock, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Zykov, Erne, Domi, Morrissey, Wennberg, Hagg, Lazar and Mueller. Seems like pretty good company, no ?
Pretty good company indeed. Though, I would take Mantha over Hagg, Lazar, Morissey, and Domi. I don't think he'll be there when we pick if we're picking at around 25. I don't think there's no place for him in the NHL nor for other seemingly one-dimensional players. He's no bruiser but he does play with some physicality, can fight relatively well and is strong on the puck. Kaberle, Ryder and DD don't possess any of those traits. We all seem to be pretty big fans of Collberg and he's quite one-dimensional, he's also not very big. I think Mantha can develop into an impactful top line player. snipers with size are always a valued commodity, even more so than two-way players with limited offensive potential like Lazar.

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04-29-2013, 07:22 PM
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So Jones going to the West...and we inherit MacKinnon and Drouin....

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I'd kill for Jones... Glad he'll be going to Colorado though.

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Well, not looking forward to drouin-stamkos that's gonna suck

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Well, not looking forward to drouin-stamkos that's gonna suck
Well more offence isn't going to help the Lightning and Florida is Florida.

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Pretty good company indeed. Though, I would take Mantha over Hagg, Lazar, Morissey, and Domi. I don't think he'll be there when we pick if we're picking at around 25. I don't think there's no place for him in the NHL nor for other seemingly one-dimensional players. He's no bruiser but he does play with some physicality, can fight relatively well and is strong on the puck. Kaberle, Ryder and DD don't possess any of those traits. We all seem to be pretty big fans of Collberg and he's quite one-dimensional, he's also not very big. I think Mantha can develop into an impactful top line player. snipers with size are always a valued commodity, even more so than two-way players with limited offensive potential like Lazar.
Limited offensive potential ? I think you got the wrong Lazar. I'd pick him in the top 10 if it was just me. Lazar has all the tools to be something like Plekanec with added grittiness and size, thats more valuable than anything. Oh and about Collberg, its where he was picked, I don't think anyone would've traded up to grab him either.

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Do peeps around here still feel Habs should try and grab Subban with one of the seconds? Seems like he will be available around there.

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Do peeps around here still feel Habs should try and grab Subban with one of the seconds? Seems like he will be available around there.
He is really too small. If the Habs really think he can grow a couple of inches taller, then we should take the risk and draft him with one of our 2nd.

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He is really too small. If the Habs really think he can grow a couple of inches taller, then we should take the risk and draft him with one of our 2nd.
Size won't be a problem on our defense in the future

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There's still some growth in Dauphin...don't underestimate him. Unless it means you are really high on Gauthier, for which I won't blame you.
It's rather the latter than the former. I'm a huge believer in Gauthier. For the record, I doubt he'll be there when the Habs talk, especially with the great U-18 he had. I wouldn't hesitate one second between him and Dauphin.

And it's not a knock on Dauphin, who I would love the habs to snag in the 2nd round.

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04-29-2013, 08:12 PM
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Do peeps around here still feel Habs should try and grab Subban with one of the seconds? Seems like he will be available around there.
Nah.

Maybe with a 3rd.

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So Jones going to the West...and we inherit MacKinnon and Drouin....
Drouin will go to Tampa, great fit...

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He is really too small. If the Habs really think he can grow a couple of inches taller, then we should take the risk and draft him with one of our 2nd.
Sure he'd be too small now but it would take him 2 to 4 years to make the team. At that point who knows what our D might look like. I can see Subban become a good puck mover and PP player, which would be good to develop as Markov is going to be moving closer to retirement at that point.

Besides its important to pick a player you think will make the NHL, not a player who's upside you think would be useful for the team. Think Simon Gagne vs Eric Chouinard - the Habs needed a big centerman but had no need for a smallish left winger. The rest is history, sadly.

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Drouin will go to Tampa, great fit...
Indeed, but really Tampa needs much more than ''moar forwards!!'' to truly get better. Drouin is very lucky to start his career playing with the likes of Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis (especially), they are going to be great mentors for him.

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04-29-2013, 09:05 PM
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Here is my mock draft… 3 rounds. Took the rankings as of today.

1-Colorado Avalanche select Seth Jones.
-They go for need here but I also think he could be considered BPA.
2-Florida Panthers select Nathan Mackinnon.
-They pick the very best forward in this draft.
3-Tampa bay Lighting select Jonathan Drouin.
Tampa goes with the offensive dynamo and hope he can replace the Art Ross winner.
4-Nashville Predators select Sasha Barkov
Barkov and Forsberg will be the most talent Trotz worked with since joining the organization.
5-Carolina Hurricanes select Valery Nichuskin
They lend their hand on the second best offensively dynamic forward in the draft, great help.
6-Calgary Flames select Elias Lindholm
Calgary needs help upfront more than anything and Linholm is BPA.
7-Edmonton Oilers select Nikita Zadorov
The Oilers select Zadorov and it fills a need.
8-Bufallo Sabres select Ryan Pulock
They pass on Monahan to land the most dynamic Dman in this draft.
9-New Jersey Devils select Sean Monahan
They get a type of player they like and he’s a real talent.
10-Dallas Stars select Darnell Nurse
Nill praises the hockey gods that such a talent falls on his lap.
11-Philadelphia Flyers select Rasmus Ristolainen
They need help at defense, they draft BPA
12-Phoenix Coyotes select Hunter Shinkaruk
The Coyotes land one of the most dynamic players in this draft, BPA and a need.
13-Winnipeg Jets select Curtis Lazar
They pick the kind of player that will help them win down the road, big tough two-way player.
14-Colombus Blue Jackets select Valentin Zykov
Kekalainen likes big skilled forward and he gets one with the best skill set in the draft.
15-New York Islanders select Mirco Mueller
NYI adds to their already big and skilled pool of Dman with Mueller.
16-Buffalo Sabres select Adam Erne
They add to their skilled offensive squad with this gritty and talented forward.
17-Detroit Red wings select Robert Hagg
The Red wings might be up for a mini-rebuild, and they add a Dman who could turn out to be one of the best in this draft.
18-Ottawa Senators select Alex Wennberg
They keep taking all the Swedes!!!! They go BPA and Wennberg falls on their lap, can’t miss.
19-Colombus Blue Jackets select Josh Morrissey
Good offensive instinct will fit well into their prospect pool, he’s also BPA at this point.
20-San Jose Sharks select Andre Burakowsky
They draft an offensively dynamic swede that will help them in a few years.
21-Toronto Maple Leafs select Nicolas Petan
Really skilled and talented, Nic will do good to their pool that is lacking in talent in offense.
22-Washinton Capitals select Frederik Gauthier
They select another big and skilled forward that could help them soon enough.
23-Colombus Blue Jackets select Max Domi
They select BPA here and they add to a need also.
24-Vancouver Canucks select Anthony Mantha
They need help everywhere and at this point, Mantha is BPA.
25-Calgary Flames select Ian McCoshen
They select their first dman. Fits a need and he's pretty much BPA.
26-Boston Bruins select Shea Theodore
They need game-breaking talent on the back end.
27-Montreal Canadiens select Ryan Hartman
He seems like a Timmins type of player and he fits a need.
28-Anaheim Ducks select Bo Horvat
They get one of the best two-way forward in this draft all that at 28!
29-Pittsburgh Penguins select J.T. Compher
They draft BPA and for need.
30-Chicago Blackhawks select Chris Bigras
They lack quality defenders at the Junior level and they get the best one available.


I will post the second and third round tomorrow, hopefully. I'm tired of writing everything back. (Should've wrote my choice on the damn computer )

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04-29-2013, 09:33 PM
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Well, not looking forward to drouin-stamkos that's gonna suck
they're gonna deke the **** out of our defense fpr the following years...it does suck

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04-29-2013, 09:39 PM
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I would have no problem with Hartman, but it would be very hard to pass up on Horvat if he fell that far.

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04-29-2013, 09:55 PM
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I would have no problem with Hartman, but it would be very hard to pass up on Horvat if he fell that far.
My line of tought is that Horvat and Hartman are similar in value and that we already have Leblanc, Vail and Bournival who are similar to Horvat, but no one like Hartman.

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04-29-2013, 10:07 PM
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Here is my mock draft… 3 rounds. Took the rankings as of today.

1-Colorado Avalanche select Seth Jones.
-They go for need here but I also think he could be considered BPA.
2-Florida Panthers select Nathan Mackinnon.
-They pick the very best forward in this draft.
3-Tampa bay Lighting select Jonathan Drouin.
Tampa goes with the offensive dynamo and hope he can replace the Art Ross winner.
4-Nashville Predators select Sasha Barkov
Barkov and Forsberg will be the most talent Trotz worked with since joining the organization.
5-Carolina Hurricanes select Valery Nichuskin
They lend their hand on the second best offensively dynamic forward in the draft, great help.
6-Calgary Flames select Elias Lindholm
Calgary needs help upfront more than anything and Linholm is BPA.
7-Edmonton Oilers select Nikita Zadorov
The Oilers select Zadorov and it fills a need.
8-Bufallo Sabres select Ryan Pulock
They pass on Monahan to land the most dynamic Dman in this draft.
9-New Jersey Devils select Sean Monahan
They get a type of player they like and he’s a real talent.
10-Dallas Stars select Darnell Nurse
Nill praises the hockey gods that such a talent falls on his lap.
11-Philadelphia Flyers select Rasmus Ristolainen
They need help at defense, they draft BPA
12-Phoenix Coyotes select Hunter Shinkaruk
The Coyotes land one of the most dynamic players in this draft, BPA and a need.
13-Winnipeg Jets select Curtis Lazar
They pick the kind of player that will help them win down the road, big tough two-way player.
14-Colombus Blue Jackets select Valentin Zykov
Kekalainen likes big skilled forward and he gets one with the best skill set in the draft.
15-New York Islanders select Mirco Mueller
NYI adds to their already big and skilled pool of Dman with Mueller.
16-Buffalo Sabres select Adam Erne
They add to their skilled offensive squad with this gritty and talented forward.
17-Detroit Red wings select Robert Hagg
The Red wings might be up for a mini-rebuild, and they add a Dman who could turn out to be one of the best in this draft.
18-Ottawa Senators select Alex Wennberg
They keep taking all the Swedes!!!! They go BPA and Wennberg falls on their lap, can’t miss.
19-Colombus Blue Jackets select Josh Morrissey
Good offensive instinct will fit well into their prospect pool, he’s also BPA at this point.
20-San Jose Sharks select Andre Burakowsky
They draft an offensively dynamic swede that will help them in a few years.
21-Toronto Maple Leafs select Nicolas Petan
Really skilled and talented, Nic will do good to their pool that is lacking in talent in offense.
22-Washinton Capitals select Frederik Gauthier
They select another big and skilled forward that could help them soon enough.
23-Colombus Blue Jackets select Max Domi
They select BPA here and they add to a need also.
24-Vancouver Canucks select Anthony Mantha
They need help everywhere and at this point, Mantha is BPA.
25-Calgary Flames select Ian McCoshen
They select their first dman. Fits a need and he's pretty much BPA.
26-Boston Bruins select Shea Theodore
They need game-breaking talent on the back end.
27-Montreal Canadiens select Ryan Hartman
He seems like a Timmins type of player and he fits a need.
28-Anaheim Ducks select Bo Horvat
They get one of the best two-way forward in this draft all that at 28!
29-Pittsburgh Penguins select J.T. Compher
They draft BPA and for need.
30-Chicago Blackhawks select Chris Bigras
They lack quality defenders at the Junior level and they get the best one available.


I will post the second and third round tomorrow, hopefully. I'm tired of writing everything back. (Should've wrote my choice on the damn computer )
Nice post. Well thought out. Looking forward to the next 2 rounds!

Habs are going to get 3 very good young players with their first 3 picks.

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04-29-2013, 10:10 PM
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So using mr's mock, here's who would be available early in round 2:

Rychel
Fucale
Bowey
Klimchuk
Morin
Dauphin
Lehkonen


As well as Dickinson, McCarron, Poirier, etc.


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04-29-2013, 10:18 PM
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Brendan Ross has us drafting Dickinson, can't see the Habs pass over both McCarron and Zykov twice.

Still a good read overall.

http://thehockeyguys.net/2013-nhl-mo...draft-lottery/

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Being from the West Coast I haven't heard much about him,could you expand your thoughts.....thanks
Well, my thoughts are pretty much irrelevant since I've only seen a highlights video of him. My statement about him being a Timmins pick came from articles and mock drafted I've read.

ccgg below says pretty much everything I've read on him. I'm bolding the parts that I think says "Timmins pick".

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I probably saw 90% of his games this season and the first thing I noticed is the work ethic. Every shift he is on the ice, he plays like it could be his last one. He is a true warrior with a great mental/leadership. He scored 3 goals in the last game of the playoff this season. All the team was dead, but the three goals (maybe 2/3) came in the third period to make it 3-3. He was flying on the ice. He was the true leader. In the overtime, he touched the crossbar twice.

He plays the game at a very high pace. He is very fast and he likes to dangle the puck when he skates at full speed. He is sometimes spectacular. He is very smart, very good IQ. That helps him to be very good defensively. He is also very good with puck managment.

He is physical. He will drop the gloves. He is a good fighter. He could probably fight guys like Mike Brown, Brandon Prust in the NHL. He must get heavier because he often tries open-ice hits but it fails because he isn't strong enough. He is skinny but he doesn't fall on ice like Benoit Pouliot. He goes in the front of the net on the power play, he blocks shots.

I am a fan. I would gladly take him in the third round. If his offence doesn't translate in the NHL, he can still be an effective bottom liner.
My only question to ccgg is that reading what you wrote, he doesn't seem to have that many weaknesses (apart from not being strong enough which can easily be fixed), so why shouldn't he be a 2nd rd pick?

Is it his offense that is questionable?

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04-29-2013, 10:49 PM
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Brendan Ross has us drafting Dickinson, can't see the Habs pass over both McCarron and Zykov twice.

Still a good read overall.

http://thehockeyguys.net/2013-nhl-mo...draft-lottery/
I don't see it either. I don't think they would choose Dickinson over Compher.

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Interesting:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=422034

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Nine other prospects received at least one vote as a Top 10 consideration and of that group, London Knight forward Max Domi and Edmonton Oil King forward Curtis Lazar were the only ones to get multiple Top 10 votes. Domi, for example, was extremely close to finishing tied with Shinkaruk and Nurse. Domi was No. 18 in January, Lazar was No. 25.

Others who received a Top 10 vote included: Swedish forwards Alexander Wennberg, Jacob De La Rose and Andre Burakowsky; London forward Bo Horvat; Everett defenceman Mirco Mueller; Brandon defenceman Ryan Pulock; and, Val d'Or forward Anthony Mantha.

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Donald Audette was the fulltime QMJHL scout they added.

Thanks.

I guess he saw a lot of Telus west teams.

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Limited offensive potential ? I think you got the wrong Lazar. I'd pick him in the top 10 if it was just me. Lazar has all the tools to be something like Plekanec with added grittiness and size, thats more valuable than anything. Oh and about Collberg, its where he was picked, I don't think anyone would've traded up to grab him either.
I've seen Lazar play several games this year, never felt he had above average NHL-level offensive talent. I don't think he'd be able to put up 60pts like Plekanec, I see him likely being at 20g-20a in his prime. I'm really not sold on him, excellent prospect who I think should be ranked higher than he has been in most mock drafts but he doesn't have the "elite" offensive talent or goalscoring ability like Mantha, Rychel, Erne etc. Not to say I wouldn't be very happy to pick him in our spot and eat crow about it later on.

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