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04-29-2013, 05:13 PM
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Id be willing to drop from 7th to 16-18 (as many Oilers fan would) because were all pretty high on Lazar, and me personally I really like Robert Haag. We'd be looking at an impact bottom-sixer (Abeldaker +?)

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04-29-2013, 05:28 PM
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Trading up in the draft is like KH making a roster-player for roster-player trade in the salary cap era, it just doesn't happen.

Imagine to have the 7th pic and draft Monahan or similar

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04-29-2013, 05:43 PM
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with the 7th pick, for me its a no brainier Lindholm. with that we have our required Swede out of the way and a future captain following 2 Swedes before him. with the 2nd I would go a big Canadian with any offensive upside or heavy hitting physical player that has decent Hockey IQ. or maybe a player that slips, were so deep prospect wise I don't mind taking a big risk with the 2nd or 3rd.

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04-29-2013, 05:50 PM
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with the 7th pick, for me its a no brainier Lindholm. with that we have our required Swede out of the way and a future captain following 2 Swedes before him. with the 2nd I would go a big Canadian with any offensive upside or heavy hitting physical player that has decent Hockey IQ. or maybe a player that slips, were so deep prospect wise I don't mind taking a big risk with the 2nd or 3rd.
Isn't Lindholm gone before 7th?

Jones
MacKinnon
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
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04-29-2013, 05:53 PM
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Isn't Lindholm gone before 7th?

Jones
MacKinnon
Drouin
Barkov
Lindholm
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There is some feeling he will tumble, I don't think he gets past the Stars at 10 in any event, but I have seen him sliding out of the top 10 in some mocks.

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04-29-2013, 06:36 PM
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04-29-2013, 07:13 PM
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17-19:
ISS: Kerby Rychel, Andre Burakovsky, Joshua Morrissey
FC: Curtis Lazar, Robert Hagg, Anthony Mantha
TSN(mid-season): Anthony Mantha, Max Domi, Bo Horvat
Button: Morgan Klimchuk, Artturi Lehkonen, Bo Horvat
McKeen's: Nikita Zadorov, Alexander Wennberg, Frederik Gauthier
THN: Kerby Rychel, Ryan Pulock, Frederik Gauthier
Thanks Joe - Thought to add "The Hockey Writers" latest

16 NAS10 Anthony Mantha Val d'Or QMJHL RW
17 NAS11 Shea Theodore Seattle WHL D
18 NAS12 Ryan Pulock Brandon WHL D
19 NAS13 Zach Nastasiuk Owen Sound OHL RW
20 NAS14 Chris Bigras Owen Sound OHL D
21 NAS15 Bo Horvat London OHL C

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04-30-2013, 05:14 AM
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how is the tie with the rangers and sens broken?
ROW, then goal dofferential.

We beat Ottawa in ROW, so they pick ahead of us. We are tied with Rangers in ROW but they have better goal differential so they pick after us.

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Thanks Joe - Thought to add "The Hockey Writers" latest

16 NAS10 Anthony Mantha Val d'Or QMJHL RW
17 NAS11 Shea Theodore Seattle WHL D
18 NAS12 Ryan Pulock Brandon WHL D
19 NAS13 Zach Nastasiuk Owen Sound OHL RW
20 NAS14 Chris Bigras Owen Sound OHL D
21 NAS15 Bo Horvat London OHL C
I'd love Pulock.

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04-30-2013, 05:16 AM
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So detroit is picking... 18th?

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So detroit is picking... 18th?
Yes. Unless we get to conf. finals or longer.

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04-30-2013, 05:39 AM
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Yes. Unless we get to conf. finals or longer.
That's still the highest pick since early 90's though isn't it? Kindl was 19th overall... last year would have been 19th IIRC but was traded away early for Quincey

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04-30-2013, 07:47 AM
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ROW, then goal dofferential.

We beat Ottawa in ROW, so they pick ahead of us. We are tied with Rangers in ROW but they have better goal differential so they pick after us.



I'd love Pulock.
Pulock is an amazing talent. I don't think we need another defenseman and yet I would be absolutely ecstatic to land him at 18. Between Pulock and Sproul we'd have two guys on the PP with just cannons for shots.

Of course, I seriously doubt he'll fall that far.

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04-30-2013, 08:02 AM
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Given where the Wings find themselves in the standings, I think that it's most likely that Holland will find a trading partner at the draft where he can trade down for two 2nd round picks.

I would hope for something along the lines of Buchnevich, Burakowsky, and Marko Dano within rounds 2-3.

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04-30-2013, 08:11 AM
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Given where the Wings find themselves in the standings, I think that it's most likely that Holland will find a trading partner at the draft where he can trade down for two 2nd round picks.

I would hope for something along the lines of Buchnevich, Burakowsky, and Marko Dano within rounds 2-3.
I think they won't trade down this year, not when they have the 18th pick overall in a deep draft year

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04-30-2013, 08:13 AM
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I think they won't trade down this year, not when they have the 18th pick overall in a deep draft year
You don't think that the Wings will make it past Anaheim?

I'd think that if anyone were to bounce the Wings out of the playoffs this season, it would happen in 2nd round or finals.

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04-30-2013, 08:15 AM
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You don't think that the Wings will make it past Anaheim?

I'd think that if anyone were to bounce the Wings out of the playoffs this season, it would haven in 2nd round or finals.
I don't think they will beat Chicago no.

You keep the draft position unless you make it to the conference finals. Detroit will face Chicago in the 2nd round if they somehow make it past the Ducks. So drafting 18th seem very likely.

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I don't think they will beat Chicago no.

You keep the draft position unless you make it to the conference finals. Detroit will face Chicago in the 2nd round if they somehow make it past the Ducks. So drafting 18th seem very likely.
So their drafting position only changes in the finals? Didn't know that, thanks for the head's up!

Ultimately, having the 18th pick would make it easier to trade up if Holland and the scouting staff thought it wise, yet 18th should be good enough to land a quality prospect if the Wings have done their homework.

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I think they won't trade down this year, not when they have the 18th pick overall in a deep draft year
I agree, they need to draft a C like Domi, Horvat or a more offensive version of Sheahan, Bogdan Yakimov.

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So their drafting position only changes in the finals? Didn't know that, thanks for the head's up!

Ultimately, having the 18th pick would make it easier to trade up if Holland and the scouting staff thought it wise, yet 18th should be good enough to land a quality prospect if the Wings have done their homework.
Conference Quarter Finals
Conference Semi Finals
Conference Finals
Stanley Cup
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4 rounds

If you get bounced in the first two, you keep the position, if you make it to the third and get bounced you get the 27/28th pick, if you make it to the finals you get the 29/30th.

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I agree, they need to draft a C like Domi, Horvat or a more offensive version of Sheahan, Bogdan Yakimov.
Given that the 18th spot in the draft isn't TOO low, and that there have been rumblings from within the Oilers organization that they would be willing to trade the 7th overall pick for a deal that could immediately help them, I would imagine that the Wings could likely swing a deal where we trade a high end offensive/defensive prospect and clear a few middling players from the cupboards of their pro roster, and include the 18th overall pick in exchange for the 7th overall.

I wonder what might be available in terms of a center at 7th overall?

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Can't the pick be earlier than #18 if Ottawa, Minnesota or the Islanders go the the 3rd round? Not that it's very likely but in theory.

I think #18 is a place where trading up or down 3 or 4 spots won't make a big difference. So if you trade up, it should be into the top-12 or so.

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I wonder what might be available in terms of a center at 7th overall?
Monahan, Shinkaruk (does he play C?) and maybe Lindholm (big maybe). The next centers after those are maybe Wennberg, Lazar, Gauthier?


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Can't the pick be earlier than #18 if Ottawa, Minnesota or the Islanders go the the 3rd round? Not that it's very likely but in theory.

I think #18 is a place where trading up or down 3 or 4 spots won't make a big difference. So if you trade up, it should be into the top-12 or so.
Where is the drop-of in high end talent? After Ristolainen at 10? or?

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Where is the drop-of in high end talent? After Ristolainen at 10? or?
I think this was MacKenzie's list from last night:
1. Jones
2. MacKinnon
3. Drouin
4. Barkov
5. Nichushkin
6. Lindholm
7. Monahan
8. Ristolainen
9. Zadorov
10/11. Shinkaruk/Nurse

So I'd say it's a top-10 or top-11 after which there's a bit of a gap to the next group.

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Can't the pick be earlier than #18 if Ottawa, Minnesota or the Islanders go the the 3rd round? Not that it's very likely but in theory.

I think #18 is a place where trading up or down 3 or 4 spots won't make a big difference. So if you trade up, it should be into the top-12 or so.


Monahan, Shinkaruk (does he play C?) and maybe Lindholm (big maybe). The next centers after those are probably Wennberg, Lazar, Gauthier?
I think that Lindholm has shown way too much to fall outside of the top 5, he'd probably be taken 6th at the lowest - even if the Wings moved up to 7th, I think that the Flames would snatch him without giving it a second thought.

Still, the Wings would certainly have some tough decisions to make as far as BPA, anything from choosing to fill the position of need at center, to restocking the cupboards with another flashy Russian goal scorer, to choosing a defenseman that can play with both a solid/elite offensive and defensive game.

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Can't the pick be earlier than #18 if Ottawa, Minnesota or the Islanders go the the 3rd round? Not that it's very likely but in theory.

I think #18 is a place where trading up or down 3 or 4 spots won't make a big difference. So if you trade up, it should be into the top-12 or so.


Monahan, Shinkaruk (does he play C?) and maybe Lindholm (big maybe). The next centers after those are maybe Wennberg, Lazar, Gauthier?
Nope.

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