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04-30-2013, 10:39 AM
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Buf-Car + Buf-Col

Grant Sonier mentioned that Carolina may look to deal back from 5 in order to grab one of the defensemen drafted after Jones. Buffalo at 8 with two 2nds and two 1sts is a logical landing spot so they can grab their choice. Buffalo's picks, as of now are 8, 16, 38 and 55, for reference.

First proposal:

To Buffalo - 5th overall

To Carolina - 8th and 38th

Second proposal. It looks like Colorado will draft Jones because of their need on defense. Buffalo wants to get that first spot to grab MacKinnon.

To Colorado - Myers + 5th overall

To Buffalo - 1st overall

Colorado gets their big, young defenseman with tons of potential and another stud at no. 5. Buffalo gets there man in MacKinnon.

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04-30-2013, 10:40 AM
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Colorado shouldn't do that. Jones to COL just makes too much sense for them to mess with that opportunity.

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04-30-2013, 10:44 AM
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Don't think either Colorado or Buffalo would actually do the 2nd. Buffalo gives up too much in value to them, I think, and Jones to Colorado just makes too much sense for the Avs to pass up.

I could see Carolina considering the first one if they're looking to take D or want Nichushkin, but not at 5.

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I many times do we have to say we are not trading our first.

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04-30-2013, 10:46 AM
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what about Florida at 2 I think Buffalo would rather have Mackinnon.

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what about Florida at 2 I think Buffalo would rather have Mackinnon.
I thought Colorado made more sense because Myers replaces the idea of Jones.

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04-30-2013, 10:49 AM
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If I'm Colorado,

I really want Jones but this deal is to good to pass up, I get Myers and a top 5 pick. I pull the trigger on that one.

The one with the biggest gambles here would be Buffalo,

To lose the "future" top D man and a top 5 pick hurts. And if you trade Myers, you have to give a serious look at Jones. It's a tough call to say the least.

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what about Florida at 2 I think Buffalo would rather have Mackinnon.
I think Flordia want MacKinnon to badly to trade back. Him and Huberdeau already have shown how good they can be together and MacKinnon on his own might be too much to pass up.

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I'd do 8 + 38 for 5 if Carolina would. That said, Carolina needs blueline help now, not in 3 yrs when Nurse/Ristolainen/Zadorov will be ready to contribute, so I'm not sure they'd do that deal.

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Considering Buffalo is in rebuilding does 8 and Sekera +2nd next year do anything for Carolina

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If I'm Colorado,

I really want Jones but this deal is to good to pass up, I get Myers and a top 5 pick. I pull the trigger on that one.

The one with the biggest gamble here would be Buffalo,

To lose the "future" top D man and a top 5 pick hurts. And if you trade Myers, you have to give a serious look at Jones. It's a tough call to say the least.
Myers certainly hasn`t looked like a future top D man in a few years. If I was Colorado, and looking to move the 1st overall pick, Myers` downward regression slope would certainly have me concerned.

Young D-Men take time, so it`s certainly possible young Myers rebounds, but when your drafting 1st overall, that`s a big risk to take on.

Add in, that in my opinion, the differance from 1 to 5 is huge.

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Myers certainly hasn`t looked like a future top D man in a few years. If I was Colorado, and looking to move the 1st overall pick, Myers` downward regression slope would certainly have me concerned.

Young D-Men take time, so it`s certainly possible young Myers rebounds, but when your drafting 1st overall, that`s a big risk to take on.

Add in, that in my opinion, the differance from 1 to 5 is huge.
For Myers, your right and wrong. Theses last two years have been kind of a question mark. At times he's looked brilliant. At times he's looked lost. I wouldn't say he's never looked like a number 1, because at times he has. He's just been super inconstant. I still think with age he'll be a top defensemen in the NHL. But that's just my opinion. I guess it would just matter if the GM for the Aves feels like Myers is a future star or not.

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Considering Buffalo is in rebuilding does 8 and Sekera +2nd next year do anything for Carolina
As much as I'd love to add a top 5 pick, I'd hate to help out Carolina by giving them Sekera. That's a tough one.

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04-30-2013, 11:13 AM
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Terrible for the Avs....


This is gonna be a long 2 months for us Avs fans with proposals like these every day.

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If I'm Colorado,

I really want Jones but this deal is to good to pass up, I get Myers and a top 5 pick. I pull the trigger on that one.

The one with the biggest gambles here would be Buffalo,

To lose the "future" top D man and a top 5 pick hurts. And if you trade Myers, you have to give a serious look at Jones. It's a tough call to say the least.
It's only to good to pass up, if Colorado is as high on Myers as they are on Jones.

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Grant Sonier mentioned that Carolina may look to deal back from 5 in order to grab one of the defensemen drafted after Jones. Buffalo at 8 with two 2nds and two 1sts is a logical landing spot so they can grab their choice. Buffalo's picks, as of now are 8, 16, 38 and 55, for reference.

First proposal:

To Buffalo - 5th overall

To Carolina - 8th and 38th

Second proposal. It looks like Colorado will draft Jones because of their need on defense. Buffalo wants to get that first spot to grab MacKinnon.

To Colorado - Myers + 5th overall

To Buffalo - 1st overall

Colorado gets their big, young defenseman with tons of potential and another stud at no. 5. Buffalo gets there man in MacKinnon.

First proposal is very reasonable......

Second one with Colorado is not. There isn't much difference in Myers full potential and Jones to effectively burn a top 5 pick.

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First proposal is very reasonable......

Second one with Colorado is not. There isn't much difference in Myers full potential and Jones to effectively burn a top 5 pick.


If you actually think Myers and Jones have similar potential you should probably take off the glasses.

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Considering Buffalo is in rebuilding does 8 and Sekera +2nd next year do anything for Carolina
It's a serious overpay on buffalos part.

I would do sekera + 2014 #2 for Carolina 1st. they would get a cheap NHL top 4 Dman

I would offer the same to Tampa for theirs.

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If you actually think Myers and Jones have similar potential you should probably take off the glasses.

Sorry...jones could be an utter Bust. With Dmen it takes them longer to mature.

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Sorry...jones could be an utter Bust. With Dmen it takes them longer to mature.
Which is exactly what Myers has looked like the past 2 years....

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If you actually think Myers and Jones have similar potential you should probably take off the glasses.
I know you hate all the Sabres players, but the difference in Myers' potential and Jones' is not worth a top 5 pick. Colorado still wouldn't and shouldn't do that trade, but neither would/should Buffalo.

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I know you hate all the Sabres players, but the difference in Myers' potential and Jones' is not worth a top 5 pick. Colorado still wouldn't and shouldn't do that trade, but neither would/should Buffalo.
Haha, yea I actually have it our for the Buffalo Sabres fans and all of there players. They are the team I hate most....


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If you actually think Myers and Jones have similar potential you should probably take off the glasses.
Potential? If we are speaking strictly in terms of potential, few defensemen have more than Myers, even Seth the Great. Now, whether Myers can meet that potential--actually, re-discover is probably more appropriate phrasing--is a separate inquiry. But strictly in terms of potential, few have more than Myers.

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Potential? If we are speaking strictly in terms of potential, few defensemen have more than Myers, even Seth the Great. Now, whether Myers can meet that potential--actually, re-discover is probably more appropriate phrasing--is a separate inquiry. But strictly in terms of potential, few have more than Myers.
And Seth Jones is certainly one of them.

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Myers has a fantastic set of tools but he's about to start his fifth NHL season and has managed to go from stud to semi-reclamation project.

I don't think Sabres would be getting proper value should they trade him, so they're much better off keeping him and trying to figure out how to get him back on track.

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