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04-30-2013, 04:00 PM
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I don't care what he makes, I just want his ass to stop getting hurt.

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04-30-2013, 04:04 PM
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Im sorry if I seem like I am picking on you because others have said this same thing, but I just have to ask you one question

are you paying Gaustads salary?

because if you arent, unless we are unable to sign someone else due to paying him his salary, then why does it matter what he makes??
I think you hit the nail on the head with the second statement. Only reason we as fans care is because it limits what our small market franchise can do.

Paying Gaustaud + Gill $5.5 million is the same salary as Marty St Louis.

Not saying we could get St.Louis, but mgmt said last year Weber's contract was going to hinder them a bit. So you can't help but think giving $5.5m to these guys will limit us in some capacity. Resource allocation.

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For once a player accepts the offer early rather than dragging things on. Not a huge amount for his performance over the past few years but enough that some will gripe. Now to see how healthy he remains.

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04-30-2013, 04:07 PM
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I think it's decent. You can't help but like Hornqvist, but you also can't but notice his limitations. But for our scoring challenged team, we have to have him. Hopefully we can get some decent players around him to create.

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Im sorry if I seem like I am picking on you because others have said this same thing, but I just have to ask you one question

are you paying Gaustads salary?

because if you arent, unless we are unable to sign someone else due to paying him his salary, then why does it matter what he makes??

Gaustad gives us something we absolutely need. if we dont have him we have to go out and pay for someone else because you have to have that kind of player on your team. He commanded a 1st at the trade deadline because more than one team wanted him. he commanded the salary he did because good GM's know to win you need a guy like him and if Poile hadnt given him his money some other GM would have.


I will only sweat Gaustads salary if we ever find ourselves in a position where we need an extra million in cap space and dont have it. until then, its a moot point
It's funny, people are complaining about paying Hornqvist too much for being one dimensional yet you defend Gaustad's salary and one dimensional play? What does he do? He wins faceoffs. Big whoop. Pay a guy over $3 million to do that? That's bad business and salary management.

Let's just play a stupid game for a moment but what if that $13 million was spent on giving Suter a million more a season to stay here for the next 13 years? Would his salary of over $8 million a season been nutty and not warranted for what he brings to the table? It's a moot point since Suter had no business staying in the first place but that to me would've made more sense financially then to have a guy that is a faceoff specialist. It's not like he scores. It's not like he plays physical. He's not extremely fast. He really doesn't do anything well yet we're paying a 4th line player that type of money when an entire 4th line should be making that sort of money.

I'd rather have the money waiting to give to someone than to pay it to a guy that doesn't do anything but win faceoffs. At that rate give me Smithson back. Winning faceoffs when you're leading a game is important but so is winning faceoffs on the PP and we can't put him out there on the PP to win a faceoff so he's useless in that situation. I just don't get how we defend his salary, even if we're not paying it. In a roundabout way, we are paying it when we buy tickets to see the team play. And to say we need a guy like him on the team is fine and dandy yet we have about 6 or 7 of those same guys. We need about 3 to 4 of those guys on the roster at any one time, not half a dozen of them.

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4.2 was my guess, but I wouldnt have been surprised if was pushing 5. Nice deal IMO. Locked up early makes it even sweeter.

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By the way, Hornqvist now makes only .75mil more than Gaustad...
I'm calling for a math check

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slight overpayment.. but you can't complain too much when you see horny giving 200% effort.. we need more guys like him

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Gaustad does play physical, in fact that's about all he does. Playing physical doesn't just mean hits, and Gaustad uses his size and frame in battles as much as anyone not named Weber. His play on the pk is also exceptional.

So here's what he does well.

Plays a the role of physical defensive center
Wins faceoffs at an alarming rate
Kills penalties
Will defend teammates when called upon.

That's it. No more, no less.

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For the people calling it an overpayment please give me your comparables.

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Gaustad does play physical, in fact that's about all he does. Playing physical doesn't just mean hits, and Gaustad uses his size and frame in battles as much as anyone not named Weber. His play on the pk is also exceptional.

So here's what he does well.

Plays a the role of physical defensive center
Wins faceoffs at an alarming rate
Kills penalties
Will defend teammates when called upon.

That's it. No more, no less.
Not worth $3.25 million a season though.

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04-30-2013, 04:24 PM
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Not worth $3.25 million a season though.
I had no say so in it. And I don't have to pay him. I just wanted to list what he brought to the table.

I don't think Hornqvist is an overpayment though at all.

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04-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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Gaustad does play physical, in fact that's about all he does. Playing physical doesn't just mean hits, and Gaustad uses his size and frame in battles as much as anyone not named Weber. His play on the pk is also exceptional.

So here's what he does well.

Plays a the role of physical defensive center
Wins faceoffs at an alarming rate
Kills penalties
Will defend teammates when called upon.

That's it. No more, no less.
one thing you forgot, and I noticed it after games, is the time he takes to work with the young kids. As a faceoff wizard, he can do nothing but help these guys ala Yanic Perrealut. He has worked with Watson a ton. I think things like that have more value than what you think.

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one thing you forgot, and I noticed it after games, is the time he takes to work with the young kids. As a faceoff wizard, he can do nothing but help these guys ala Yanic Perrealut. He has worked with Watson a ton. I think things like that have more value than what you think.
Maybe I think that's valued at more than you think.

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I think you hit the nail on the head with the second statement. Only reason we as fans care is because it limits what our small market franchise can do.

Paying Gaustaud + Gill $5.5 million is the same salary as Marty St Louis.

Not saying we could get St.Louis, but mgmt said last year Weber's contract was going to hinder them a bit. So you can't help but think giving $5.5m to these guys will limit us in some capacity. Resource allocation.
I can add enough Hordichuks and Tootoos up to equal Ovie or Crosby.

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Personally I think we got a great deal here. In my book he is a top 6 forward and plays his guts out on every shift no matter what. Love that Poile went right to work and got this deal done.
Completely agree. Watch David Clarkson get $5 mil plus, which will make this deal look even better. Never understood how we could lose this guy, the second he's gone we'll be looking for the exact same type of player.

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The more I think about it, the happier I am.

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I think it's a good deal. Hornqvist busts his butt all the time and yes he's had a bad injury year but as long as he's healthy he should be able to do what the rest of the team couldn't do all that well this season, score goals. Sure they're not the pretty ones that make the highlight reels but a goal's a goal and a win's a win and we need more of both next season.

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I think it's a great deal, If he's staying healthy and netting 30 every year, then it's a contract that is actually well under market value. He's probably the most emotionally invested guy on the team, and you can see how much the other guys appreciate the effort that Hornqvist displays on every shift.

A $4.5M guy like Erat doesn't want to be here, but Hornqvist shows that he wants to be here through his prime and be part of the core group of players here, that's big and I'm really happy with the contract.

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Re-signed quietly, well ahead of any looming deadlines with no duplicity / shenanigans for what is, at the very least, fair value. Yes, I am fine with this. Stepped out of a meeting, saw it pop up on Twitter, and did a little fist pump to myself in the hallway.

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Not worth $3.25 million a season though.
I agree. Maybe he is worth that to big market teams but we are on a budget. I think the signing was more or less poile trying to cover his butt after blowing a first round pick on him. Good guy to have but not worth that to our team. It's nice to have big bodies, but I mean that's a bit high. What does steckel make? I hate him but he is huge and is a face off genius. Makes a Fractuon of what goose gets.

We need salary room to sign guys, I'm fine with it though, as long as it doesn't get in the way of bringing in a talented forward who would help score goals, not win face offs and throw body around. Just my two cents.

Hornqvist is a steal at 4.2 when you look at gooses deal.

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I can add enough Hordichuks and Tootoos up to equal Ovie or Crosby.
But it takes 10 Halishucks to get to Ovechkin.

Gaustad is one of the most overpaid players in the league, no way around it. No one would take on that contract.

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But it takes 10 Halishucks to get to Ovechkin.

Gaustad is one of the most overpaid players in the league, no way around it. No one would take on that contract.
Over half of his raise was simply cap inflation.

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Solid deal. This is the mistake we learned when we let Hartnell walk away at the same age. Good deal for both teams. I'm excited to have Hornqvist locked up. Heart and soul player. He should get 20-30 in any given year.

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Maybe I think that's valued at more than you think.
I didn't mean you personally. I know you have sense. I many you as an all encompassing pronoun.

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Solid deal. This is the mistake we learned when we let Hartnell walk away at the same age. Good deal for both teams. I'm excited to have Hornqvist locked up. Heart and soul player. He should get 20-30 in any given year.
As I said on the trade board, Hartnell wasn't allowed to walk. Poile had a deal worked out, Leipold said no, so his rights were traded to Philly during the fire sale.

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