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04-30-2013, 02:49 PM
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#3 Overall Pick + for a #1 Defenseman

So, I have seen a ton of threads pop up where people are wanting a shot at the #3 overall pick (likely Drouin). I think the ONLY thing that the Bolts would give him up for would be a #1 defenseman as we would also love to have this kid playing with Stamkos for years to come.

We would also add to the pick for the right dman as well.

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04-30-2013, 03:04 PM
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i read somewhere about a proposal of:

kulikov, rights to weiss, 31st overall + a conditional pick if they resign weiss

to florida:
3rd overall+lecavalier (huge cap dump). it's not likely that florida would keep lecavalier or buy him out, but maybe a 3-way trade would work for florida

i think that would be decent value, depending on the conditional pick ofc

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04-30-2013, 03:13 PM
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So, I have seen a ton of threads pop up where people are wanting a shot at the #3 overall pick (likely Drouin). I think the ONLY thing that the Bolts would give him up for would be a #1 defenseman as we would also love to have this kid playing with Stamkos for years to come.

We would also add to the pick for the right dman as well.
#3 overall to Columbus for Ryan Murray?

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i read somewhere about a proposal of:

kulikov, rights to weiss, 31st overall + a conditional pick if they resign weiss

to florida:
3rd overall+lecavalier (huge cap dump). it's not likely that florida would keep lecavalier or buy him out, but maybe a 3-way trade would work for florida

i think that would be decent value, depending on the conditional pick ofc

In what world would Lecavalier waive his NMC to go to the Panthers?

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In what world would Lecavalier waive his NMC to go to the Panthers?
there have been more shocking waiving of NMC. campbell waived his a few years back to join.

people talk about buying him out. theoretically, i think that's close to the value, even if i think pantehrs might have to add a decent pick or some medium-end prospect

he probably wouldn't waive, but idk.

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Legitimate #1 defencemen are very very rarely available via trade.

I think you could get a legitimate top pairing defenceman, a guy like Girardi, Bygulian, Enstrom, Yandle, etc (one team or the other may have to add), but guys like Weber, Pietrangelo, Suter, Karlsson, Keith, Doughty, OEL, etc etc simply aren't going to be traded.

Who was the last legitimate #1 D to get traded (who wasn't on an expiring contract)? Campbell, Bouwmeester, Burns, etc are the closest I can think of, but they fall in the same category as the Byfgulian/Yandle/etc guys. Top pairing Dmen, but not necessarily solid #1s.

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#3 overall to Columbus for Ryan Murray?
I match/counter CBJ's offer with Brandon Gormley.

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So, I have seen a ton of threads pop up where people are wanting a shot at the #3 overall pick (likely Drouin). I think the ONLY thing that the Bolts would give him up for would be a #1 defenseman as we would also love to have this kid playing with Stamkos for years to come.

We would also add to the pick for the right dman as well.
Agreed. Doubt we see anything happen though and we'll draft Drouin

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Legitimate #1 defencemen are very very rarely available via trade.

I think you could get a legitimate top pairing defenceman, a guy like Girardi, Bygulian, Enstrom, Yandle, etc (one team or the other may have to add), but guys like Weber, Pietrangelo, Suter, Karlsson, Keith, Doughty, OEL, etc etc simply aren't going to be traded.

Who was the last legitimate #1 D to get traded (who wasn't on an expiring contract)? Campbell, Bouwmeester, Burns, etc are the closest I can think of, but they fall in the same category as the Byfgulian/Yandle/etc guys. Top pairing Dmen, but not necessarily solid #1s.
I think "very very rarely" is still being generous.

When was the last legit number one dealt? Pronger?

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#3 overall to Columbus for Ryan Murray?
That's a realistic trade.

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I think "very very rarely" is still being generous.

When was the last legit number one dealt? Pronger?
Pronger and perhaps Burns (although I consider him more of a top pairing guy vs a #1D). Mind you I wouldn't call Phaneuf, Campbell, etc #1 guys either (yes I know my definition of a #1D means there's very few true #1D in the league).

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Pronger and perhaps Burns (although I consider him more of a top pairing guy vs a #1D). Mind you I wouldn't call Phaneuf, Campbell, etc #1 guys either (yes I know my definition of a #1D means there's very few true #1D in the league).
Pronger and maybe Boyle are the only guys that come to mind IMO from the last 6-8 years who at the time of the trade, were considered legitimate #1 defencemen. And even Boyle was arguably a notch below a true #1.

Phaneuf at the time of the trade, was not a #1. This year, and only this year IMO has he shown that he can be a legitimate #1. Time will tell if that's just an anomaly due to a shortened season, or if it's a showcase of his future. Burns/Campbell as well I would only call top pairing guys.

The other thing is that when Pronger/Boyle were traded, they were available. No legitimate #1 Defencemen are thought to be available at the moment.

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I agree that #1s aren't often traded but given the state of the Lightning that is the ONLY thing that would entice us to trade the pick.. take it or leave it.

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I agree that #1s aren't often traded but given the state of the Lightning that is the ONLY thing that would entice us to trade the pick.. take it or leave it.
I agree. That's why I don't think the pick would be traded.

TB is more likely to move some package involving Connolly/Purcell/Vasilevski/etc to acquire a top pairing Dman (not a #1 Dman though) then they are to move the 3rd overall pick IMO.

Because just as much as legitimate #1s aren't traded much at all, top 3 picks are traded just as rarely.

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Yup, to acquire a top 4 guy.. Pretty much made this thread to set the record straight on the pick.

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Byfugelin?
I would definitely have interest in him but not for the 3rd overall I don't think..

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For the third? Hell no.

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I match/counter CBJ's offer with Brandon Gormley.
really....?



Murray>Gormley.


And i like Gormley.

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really....?



Murray>Gormley.


And i like Gormley.
Murray's ceiling is higher than Gormley's, but Gormley isn't a slouch in upside either. And Murray just lost a year of development due to injury; Gormley is developing on schedule (if not more so) and actually will have a season in the pros under his belt. He'll be ready to contribute on the blueline pretty soon. I would add the Yotes's 1st as well, but only if MacK was still on the board at 3.

That being said, it's all a moot point as it's 99% likely Tampa is just going to draft Drouin and have him replace MSL when he retires.

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I think "very very rarely" is still being generous.

When was the last legit number one dealt? Pronger?
So you're saying..... there's still a chance!

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Are the Lightning not in cap trouble? How could they afford to trade a cheap asset for a "#1 Defenseman"?

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Probably overpayment, but its my offer.

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