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Marc Methot's value for a 1st round pick

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04-30-2013, 07:41 AM
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Marc Methot's value for a 1st round pick

He has been our best D while Karlsson was injured. He's physical, blocks shots, good with the puck, has speed and size 6.3, 225lbs. Shoots left. Will be 28 in June.

10th overall?

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04-30-2013, 07:54 AM
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Methot might not even return a 1st, let alone a top-10 pick. He's a top-4 guy, no question, but he's not a top pairing guy without Karlsson. Methot WANTS to play in Ottawa. He's been lights out. He's signed at a reasonable rate.

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Methot might not even return a 1st, let alone a top-10 pick. He's a top-4 guy, no question, but he's not a top pairing guy without Karlsson. Methot WANTS to play in Ottawa. He's been lights out. He's signed at a reasonable rate.
While I would not trade Methot at all. He is definitely worth a first round pick. First round picks after you get to 8th or 10th or so are overvalued on these boards. You get a legit top 4 or even top 2 defenceman... in his prime and signed. Very valuable.

I would trade him for one of the top 4 picks... only because you almost have to make the deal for that kind of value.

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Methot is worth more to Ottawa than a 1st round pick - unless it's in the top 3.

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Methot is worth more to Ottawa than a 1st round pick - unless it's in the top 3.
This.

I'd say his value is somewhere in the mid-late 1st round pick level.

I'll let you be the judge if he is worth that to the Ottawa Senators.

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04-30-2013, 09:53 AM
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Methot might not even return a 1st, let alone a top-10 pick. He's a top-4 guy, no question, but he's not a top pairing guy without Karlsson. Methot WANTS to play in Ottawa. He's been lights out. He's signed at a reasonable rate.
lol.
Unless that pick is top 3 this year i wouldnt even consider trading Methot, and even then unless it was Jones we'd have a huge hole to fill on D.

you have a terrible sense of his ability and value.
he is absolutely a top pairing dman with or without Karlsson.

Methot is the real deal. Great skater, great size, very physical, great hockey IQ. im not sure what you expect in a defenceman but Methot is outstanding and a huge part of the future of the Sens defence.

EK, Methot and Cowen is how you build a championship defence.

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Loss Gonchar as a UFA and then deal Methot for a 1st rounder and the Ottawa D suddenly becomes a complete trainwreck.

Ottawa is very very well stocked on prospects/players just coming into the league like Zibenjad/Silfverberg so why would they value a 1st over having Methot?

For the record though Methot wouldn't return a 1st rounder in the top half of the 1st round.

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Not that CHI needs him, but even if they did, I wouldn't want to give up our 1st, let alone a top 10.

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Unfortunately there's not a team in the NHL that gives up a top 10 pick for Marc Methot. Or a first in general.

And yes, I understand "That's fine, we'll keep him".

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Montreal offers its 1st easily. Even add something.

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Methot is worth a 1st but not a top 10

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While I would not trade Methot at all. He is definitely worth a first round pick. First round picks after you get to 8th or 10th or so are overvalued on these boards. You get a legit top 4 or even top 2 defenceman... in his prime and signed. Very valuable.

I would trade him for one of the top 4 picks... only because you almost have to make the deal for that kind of value.
very true.

actually, picks 7-15 historically produce equivelent players to methot (top6F/top4D) at a very similar rate.

from 1-6 you're practically gauraunteed a top 4 dmen/equivelent player, 85% (with a reasonable possibility of something better).

from 7 -15 that averages already down to around 45% (while the likelihood of something better shrinks dramatically)

from 15-25 that drops to around 20-25%

in the last five spaces you bounce between 15-20%.

So I'd say Methot, who is no doubt a top 4 dmen, should return anywhere up to a 7th. I don't know if it makes sense for the team with a pick that high to do that (depending on where they are in the build, was this a fluke year, etc) But value wise,

What you get: a top 4 dman, in his prime, ready to contribute tomorrow.

What you give up.:
10% chances of a top line player, anywhere from 2-4 years away,
35% chances at a secondline/pair player on a similar timeline,
55% chance of a thirdliner or worse.


YMMV but if i'm Ottawa, i'd keep methot.

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Be a very unwise trade. That's a rebuilding trade to ship him out and we are currently a competitive team when healthy.

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As a top 4 not top 2 Dman you are looking at a 20+ 1st or 2 2nds.

trade him to Montreal for their 2nd round picks from CGY and NASH.

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Unfortunately there's not a team in the NHL that gives up a top 10 pick for Marc Methot. Or a first in general.

And yes, I understand "That's fine, we'll keep him".
You're out to lunch. I'd give up Montreal's 1st for him.

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There is a reason Team Canada is going to be inviting him to camp.
Methot would play in almost any top pairing in the league.

You dont trade that for a chintzy mid 1st rounder, and again i wouldnt trade that for anything outside of the top 3 in this draft.

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There is a reason Team Canada is going to be inviting him to camp.
Methot would play in almost any top pairing in the league.

You dont trade that for a chintzy mid 1st rounder, and again i wouldnt trade that for anything outside of the top 3 in this draft.
No he wouldn't.

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No he wouldn't.
I feel like there's a good chance you may see this differently in about a week and a half.

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He is an under the radar guy , Great player to have on your top pairing , very calming presence. He seems to be a late bloomer in every level he has played but has developed into an adam foote;esque player this year. Will be interesting to see what he does next year and if this year is a bit of a fluke. Either way I rather keep him and find out .

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No he wouldn't.
agree with this but add :laug h:

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You're out to lunch. I'd give up Montreal's 1st for him.
Yea I wouldn't have a problem with the Leafs giving up their first for him on draft day unless someone like Sean Monahan somehow falls to us.

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Yea I wouldn't have a problem with the Leafs giving up their first for him on draft day unless someone like Sean Monahan somehow falls to us.
But if a team would like to get a D, only Jones would go ahead of him in this draft IMO.

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there is a reason team canada is going to be inviting him to camp.
methot would play in almost any top pairing in the league.

you dont trade that for a chintzy mid 1st rounder, and again i wouldnt trade that for anything outside of the top 3 in this draft.
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Probably a bit of a stretch, but I can assure you that he's a heck of a lot betteran than he was in Columbus. This is a guy that is hugely underrated around the league, great shutdown dman.

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I don't think I'd give up a 1st for Methot. That's a steep steep price.

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