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05-01-2013, 02:25 AM
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Excuses, excuses. Not having any of it like you wont hear any excuses on why some markets arent doing well regardless of how rational it is.
How many tickets would Florida sell if they were priced like Vancouver's? Vancouver has the longest current sellout streak in the NHL and the third longest in the 4 major sports of NA, just to let you know...

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But thats what good hockey market is supposed to do, sell out at high price, before game time. According to some around here anyway. But if they cant live up to it its always something.

Florida cant do it because they have sucked for past decade or so and hockey is still relatively new there a la Flyers when they first came to town. And guess what, they didnt come close to selling out in their early years. Not saying Florida is a good sports market but its incredibly unfair to attack markets that has yet to have an opportunity to succeed (consistent successful on ice product). Oh vey Lets move Flyers. They were giving their tix away!

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How many tickets would Florida sell if they were priced like Vancouver's? Vancouver has the longest current sellout streak in the NHL and the third longest in the 4 major sports of NA, just to let you know...
Don't know why Canucks fans love to bring this up. The Leafs have sold out games for decades, it's not a big deal. Fact is, Vancouver isn't Florida and for such a hardcore hockey market to balk at ticket prices is odd.

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How many tickets would Florida sell if they were priced like Vancouver's? Vancouver has the longest current sellout streak in the NHL and the third longest in the 4 major sports of NA, just to let you know...
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I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's really hard to believe that Toronto doesn't have that honor at the moment.

Last time the Leafs didn't sell out a home game was probably some point late in the Ballard Era.

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Every team seems to claim the LONGEST SELL OUT STREAK. Wild did it too.

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I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's really hard to believe that Toronto doesn't have that honor at the moment.

Last time the Leafs didn't sell out a home game was probably some point late in the Ballard Era.
http://www.thesportmarket.biz/charts...s/ranktop.html


And the Red Sox's streak just ended so now the Canucks are 2nd in NA sports.


Also, read this from the Vancouver Sun just now:

About 200 lower-bowl seats were still available on the team’s website Tuesday evening, Mayenknecht said. He said that was still enough to keep the team’s home-game sellout streak going, as per the North American industry standard for a sellout, which is any game with about one per cent of its seats left unsold.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/L...#ixzz2S1lv90MN

By tomorrow morning I'm guessing the remaining 200 tickets will be sold as well.

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Don't know why Canucks fans love to bring this up. The Leafs have sold out games for decades, it's not a big deal. Fact is, Vancouver isn't Florida and for such a hardcore hockey market to balk at ticket prices is odd.
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I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's really hard to believe that Toronto doesn't have that honor at the moment.

Last time the Leafs didn't sell out a home game was probably some point late in the Ballard Era.
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Every team seems to claim the LONGEST SELL OUT STREAK. Wild did it too.
http://www.thesportmarket.biz/charts...s/ranktop.html There you go.

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quite hard to compare each individual sport since so many have a different number of games. The majority of NFL teams sell out every game. Some NFL teams have season tickets willed from generation to generation with wait lists as long as a century. ^_^

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But of course some key factors need to be considered by anyone trying to draw parallels. I always go, okay so that's the tickets you sell, let's forget how much they are, what kind of promotions they run etc. let's just ask: How many people watch the games on TV? That to me is the true indicator of interest and support level. It cuts out all the crap about ticket prices and arena location and what else people will trot out. It comes down to the basic question - how many people in this area will bother to sit down and watch a game on a random night because they are interested in it?

From all the info I've seen, even as reigning Cup champs and with the two week period following the Cup win where everyone in L.A. pretended to be a Kings fan, the Kings have terrible local ratings as do the Ducks and Panthers. The top-rated US TV markets always are "traditional markets" with some success-related variation of course - except in Buffalo which draws so well even with a bad team it might as well be in Canada.

In Vancouver first round tickets might sell slowly but will the games be a major hit on local TV? You bet.


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I'll go by the more established site below. Leaf fans rule
http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendan...h.php?tmi=8490

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Excuses, excuses. Not having any of it like you wont hear any excuses on why some markets arent doing well regardless of how rational it is.
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Yes, because it is necessary to make excuses on message boards if a Canadian NHL market hasn't sold out all of their tickets at one of the highest prices in the NHL before game time, right?
Well what would you call it Ghost? Toronto is sold out. Vancouver is not. That's what it looks like right now.

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Toronto and NY are more expensive then Vancouver as well.

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Toronto also hasn't made the playoffs in two lockouts, so the amount of pent-up demand is pretty massive. Other factors do exist here. Vancouver bad is not among them, although it's possible people in this area have reached their tipping point with ticket prices.

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But thats what good hockey market is supposed to do, sell out at high price, before game time. According to some around here anyway. But if they cant live up to it its always something.

Florida cant do it because they have sucked for past decade or so and hockey is still relatively new there a la Flyers when they first came to town. And guess what, they didnt come close to selling out in their early years. Not saying Florida is a good sports market but its incredibly unfair to attack markets that has yet to have an opportunity to succeed (consistent successful on ice product). Oh vey Lets move Flyers. They were giving their tix away!
Florida can't do it because they don't give a rats ass about hockey. MOD

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I'm not saying I don't believe you, but it's really hard to believe that Toronto doesn't have that honor at the moment.

Last time the Leafs didn't sell out a home game was probably some point late in the Ballard Era.
The official reported attendance fell short of the Air Canada Centre's capacity a few times in the early 2000's, the last time being Halloween night 2003.

However, when asked about the sellout streak a few years ago, former Leafs CEO Richard Peddie said those were likely the result of glitches in the software the team was using and not tickets being left unsold. So who knows?

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It will be interesting if they announce a sellout tonight, because with almost 1,000 tickets left for sale and some that will obviously not sell. $411 to sit lower bowl corner row 23? You can't be serious!

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It will be interesting if they announce a sellout tonight, because with almost 1,000 tickets left for sale and some that will obviously not sell. $411 to sit lower bowl corner row 23? You can't be serious!
1000? looks like less than 250 on ticketmaster.

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Toronto and NY are more expensive then Vancouver as well.
Both those cities have far far more high-end earners than Vancouver.

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200+ tickets available as the Nucks face off with San Jose tonight. Get-in the door for $90; Lower Level for $155: http://tiqiq.us/NMs

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http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/L...602/story.html

Overnight article on lagging sales.

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But of course some key factors need to be considered by anyone trying to draw parallels. I always go, okay so that's the tickets you sell, let's forget how much they are, what kind of promotions they run etc. let's just ask: How many people watch the games on TV? That to me is the true indicator of interest and support level. It cuts out all the crap about ticket prices and arena location and what else people will trot out. It comes down to the basic question - how many people in this area will bother to sit down and watch a game on a random night because they are interested in it?

From all the info I've seen, even as reigning Cup champs and with the two week period following the Cup win where everyone in L.A. pretended to be a Kings fan, the Kings have terrible local ratings as do the Ducks and Panthers. The top-rated US TV markets always are "traditional markets" with some success-related variation of course - except in Buffalo which draws so well even with a bad team it might as well be in Canada.

In Vancouver first round tickets might sell slowly but will the games be a major hit on local TV? You bet.


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LA Kings ratings arent great because LA is a bandwagon market and LA Kings sucked until last season Nothing complicated about it. Lose and you get bad results.


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Mayenknecht said this secondary market is feeling the real impact of the lagging demand, with as many as eight times more sellers than buyers.
Kingsley Bailey, owner and manager of the popular Vancouver Ticket, said many season’s tickets owners are coming to him to sell their playoff games to show their “distaste at how they’ve been treated” after the lockout.
“When we do get hockey, it’s a shortened season, it’s against western teams,” Bailey said. “We’re still paying top dollar for good hockey and we’re getting mediocre at best.”


Wonder what the most highly demanded tickets were in Vancouver.

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Both those cities have far far more high-end earners than Vancouver.
Not to mention they have 10x the population of Vancouver. Kind of a stupid comparison.

And 200 tickets is really nothing. And there is still time left.

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Not to mention they have 10x the population of Vancouver. Kind of a stupid comparison.

And 200 tickets is really nothing. And there is still time left.
I feel like anyone who speaks of Vancouver in the same breath as Toronto or New York has never been to Vancouver and knows nothing of the city.

Compared to Toronto, New York and all of the American NHL markets, Vancouver is tiny. And the fact that they are only just now having slight trouble selling a few hundred extremely expensive playoff tickets in a lockout shortened year is just further indication of how great the market is and has been. The Canucks play in a relatively small market but their revenues are in the same ballpark as the massive markets like Toronto, New York, Chicago, etc.

I'm still surprised that the tickets weren't gobbled up immediately like they usually are but its nice to see that there is a limit and some push back from the fans after the lockout.

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Florida isnt Toronto but that doesnt mean it cant work if given a successful team. Aside from 96 when has Panthers ever had a decent team?

You cant answer whether a market is good or bad UNTIL they have a consistently good team.

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