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04-30-2013, 06:58 PM
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I think the Phoenix one and Philly one are both overpayment considering where their firsts are and the players coming back. I think the Devils one is terrible, although I admit I don't know much about Urbom. No interest at all for Josefson.
If you want a comparable he plays like tallinder. smooth skating two way D who can impose himself phiscally.

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04-30-2013, 07:00 PM
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Hmm, why not? just out of curiosity
Vanek would be a one-year rental for the Flyers unless he was prepared to take a significant "hometown" discount for a team he had just joined.

No reason to give up Couturier and the 11th overall for one year of him on Giroux's wing--no matter how appealing that notion is.

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Vanek would be a one-year rental for the Flyers unless he was prepared to take a significant "hometown" discount for a team he had just joined.

No reason to give up Couturier and the 11th overall for one year of him on Giroux's wing--no matter how appealing that notion is.
Makes sense.
which teams would you think get it done?
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No I didn't. I was debating a poster who said that deal made us better now.
And yeah, I would be happy to get a similar return to the Pommer deal (+). Either 1 top shelf prospect instead of 2 good ones, or with the addition of a decent roster player coming back, etc.

ETA: I would probably take JVR + Gardiner or the pick.
that's the catch... 2 good prospects does not equal 1 top shelf prospect... there is a huge difference

find me the last time a top shelf prospect was traded for a 1 year player

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the permission to talk about doing an extension could be used as a bargaining chip in trade talks.

Teams know they arent trading for a 1 yr rental player.
That depends on his salary demands and fitting into a team's budget.

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04-30-2013, 09:51 PM
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that's the catch... 2 good prospects does not equal 1 top shelf prospect... there is a huge difference

find me the last time a top shelf prospect was traded for a 1 year player
Nor is Pominville equal to Vanek.

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04-30-2013, 09:57 PM
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I can't see him returning that much. Nash while having a big cap hit has proven that he is worth it, the reason he was able to get that much was because he was signed for the next 5+ years.

Vanek=Nash....Vanek=Nash....rinse repeat.

A team will have him for a year ---he isnt tied to a particular team. Buffalo would allow a team to contact his agent to ask what he was asking for.

Buffalo can also do a sign and trade.

This idea of 1 yr left on a contract is $%%^& BS.

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That depends on his salary demands and fitting into a team's budget.

the teams will be able to find that out before a trade happens. It also can mean a sign and trade.

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Nor is Pominville equal to Vanek.
2 playoff runs vs 1 playoff run, evens it out

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Vanek=Nash....Vanek=Nash....rinse repeat.

A team will have him for a year ---he isnt tied to a particular team. Buffalo would allow a team to contact his agent to ask what he was asking for.

Buffalo can also do a sign and trade.

This idea of 1 yr left on a contract is $%%^& BS.
a sign and trade??? .... remind me of the last time that happened in the NHL.... the 1 yr remaining is very very relevant to the conversation of trade value/compensation. saying otherwise is incredibly ignorant.

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04-30-2013, 10:26 PM
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Would NHL rules allow the Sabres to let other teams talk to Vanek to negotiate a new contract after June 1? If that is the case I don't see why a sign and trade would be out of the question.

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a sign and trade??? .... remind me of the last time that happened in the NHL.... the 1 yr remaining is very very relevant to the conversation of trade value/compensation. saying otherwise is incredibly ignorant.

Under the new rules...the owned rights team can sign him for 8 yrs...a UFA changing teams can sign for only 7.

the sign and trade is another reason why this may not happen until after the draft in early July before UFA kicks in.

Tell me where in the CBA it says a team cant allow the other team to negotiate a contract as part of a trade to that team?

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Would NHL rules allow the Sabres to let other teams talk to Vanek to negotiate a new contract after June 1? If that is the case I don't see why a sign and trade would be out of the question.
its my understanding Buffalo cant talk contract extension until after July 1st.

Its easy to subvert this kind of thing by talking in hypotheticals.

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04-30-2013, 11:20 PM
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its my understanding Buffalo cant talk contract extension until after July 1st.

Its easy to subvert this kind of thing by talking in hypotheticals.
Yes yes of course. But could Buffalo let Vanek talk to other teams about a contract extension after July 1st?

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Yes yes of course. But could Buffalo let Vanek talk to other teams about a contract extension after July 1st?
As far as I know buffalo can give a team permission to talk about a contract extension---but for that privledge they will expect more back for him. He would be gotten for yrs not just a rental so the price will be higher.

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2013 1st (7th overall)
Hemsky
MPS

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Thomas Vanek
2013 2nd rounder

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2013 1st (7th overall)
Hemsky
MPS

For:
Thomas Vanek
2013 2nd rounder
Not a fan of Hemsky, but this could be close. Would rather get MPS and Hartikainen

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2013 1st (7th overall)
Hemsky
MPS

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2013 2nd rounder
does Edmonton really need another winger?

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does Edmonton really need another winger?
If they trade both Hemsky and MPS, probably.

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Always wanted Vanek. Cap hit is too high for NYR though. Especially with RFA's due for raises this summer.

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why on earth would Vanek agree to a sign and trade?
he can go wherever he wants at the end of the year, why diminish the team he's heading to?

why would he agree to sign anything at all? he'll stay play hard for Buffalo and if they trade him they trade him - probably at the deadline as a rental.

anyone who trades for him is taking their chances.

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Always wanted Vanek. Cap hit is too high for NYR though. Especially with RFA's due for raises this summer.
We could help you out with the cap by taking back McDonagh.


And because it probably needs to be stated...

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2013 1st (7th overall)
Hemsky
MPS

For:
Thomas Vanek
2013 2nd rounder
how about

BUF
Vanek
38thOV

EDM
MPS
7thOV
Hartikainen


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Under the new rules...the owned rights team can sign him for 8 yrs...a UFA changing teams can sign for only 7.

the sign and trade is another reason why this may not happen until after the draft in early July before UFA kicks in.

Tell me where in the CBA it says a team cant allow the other team to negotiate a contract as part of a trade to that team?
Vanek does NOT have a NTC/NMC. But going the route of attempting a sign and trade, effectively gives Vanek control of where he goes. Which severly limits the # of teams Buffalo can move him to.

This effectively offsets the Trade Value gained from having the long term deal in place, by limiting the market to a small # of teams Vanek would be willing to do a long term extension with.

and... it's pretty much never happened before... anyone got any examples of sign and trades in the NHL?

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Love Vanek, but trading with Regier for an established player means paying his high price.

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and... it's pretty much never happened before... anyone got any examples of sign and trades in the NHL?
Ottawa did it with Hossa in 05 when they traded him for Heatley. I believe they signed him to a 3 year 18$ mil contract and shipped him to Atlanta.

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