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05-01-2013, 07:58 AM
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can only speak for myself, love my brothers, but not sure I am giving up quite a few million just to play on the same team as them.

Don't see it as that big a deal to be honest.

but that's me.

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If I'm Carolina, I offer Ryan Murphy and the 5th pick this year. Thats it.

Staal is a great defenceman to have when healthy.

The opportunity to get a Barkov or a Nichcushkin at #5 would be awesome.

If we could get somethign additional on top of Murphy and the 1st, then I really look at trying to move from 5 to 3 and taking Drouin or MacKinnon.

that's just me thinking out loud

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If I'm Carolina, I offer Ryan Murphy and the 5th pick this year. Thats it.

Staal is a great defenceman to have when healthy.

The opportunity to get a Barkov or a Nichcushkin at #5 would be awesome.

If we could get somethign additional on top of Murphy and the 1st, then I really look at trying to move from 5 to 3 and taking Drouin or MacKinnon.

that's just me thinking out loud
I think that is the type of realistic package the Rangers and Canes would consider. Murphy + Rask + 1st '13. Makes too much sense to me.

At the deadline it was almost like the Rangers knew they would be getting a pick or (2) back at some point with how easily they moved their 2nd. Just a hunch that I have had.

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can only speak for myself, love my brothers, but not sure I am giving up quite a few million just to play on the same team as them.

Don't see it as that big a deal to be honest.

but that's me.
Why does he have to take less money?

Jordan got paid.

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If I'm Carolina, I offer Ryan Murphy and the 5th pick this year. Thats it.

Staal is a great defenceman to have when healthy.

The opportunity to get a Barkov or a Nichcushkin at #5 would be awesome.

If we could get somethign additional on top of Murphy and the 1st, then I really look at trying to move from 5 to 3 and taking Drouin or MacKinnon.

that's just me thinking out loud
I've said it before in this thread, but this is my main position on this as well.

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can only speak for myself, love my brothers, but not sure I am giving up quite a few million just to play on the same team as them.

Don't see it as that big a deal to be honest.

but that's me.
exactly. get paid first, and if it's that important to you and there is a chance play with your brothers later on in your career

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05-01-2013, 08:41 AM
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I think that is the type of realistic package the Rangers and Canes would consider. Murphy + Rask + 1st '13. Makes too much sense to me.

At the deadline it was almost like the Rangers knew they would be getting a pick or (2) back at some point with how easily they moved their 2nd. Just a hunch that I have had.
I don't think you can deal Staal for 3 pieces who aren't likely to crack the NHL roster next season. You need at least one NHLer, IMO. Murphy's development has stalled.

Do the Rangers like Phil Di Giuseppe? Plays with Boo Nieves at Michigan. The two have natural chemistry. Both have great size and speed, but are very raw. PDG and the 5th overall plus a current NHLer or prospect who is NHL ready.

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Jordan Staal. 1st+Roster+Prospect.

If Sather still has any magic left in him, 1st+Faulk would be great, though I'm aware unrealistic.

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I don't think you can deal Staal for 3 pieces who aren't likely to crack the NHL roster next season. You need at least one NHLer, IMO. Murphy's development has stalled.

Do the Rangers like Phil Di Giuseppe? Plays with Boo Nieves at Michigan. The two have natural chemistry. Both have great size and speed, but are very raw. PDG and the 5th overall plus a current NHLer or prospect who is NHL ready.
Rask is a very good prospect. Not sure of any NHLer who would significantly improve the roster ala Sutter.

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Jordan Staal. 1st+Roster+Prospect.

If Sather still has any magic left in him, 1st+Faulk would be great, though I'm aware unrealistic.
I really don't think they move Faulk but maybe....

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Wow, a lot of speculation going on, here.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

Staal won't leave NY before he wins a cup, here. Carolina isn't anywhere near ready to compete. He has unfinished business, here, and I will stick to my guns that he stays put.

The other 2 have Cups. Jordan won his cup first, THEN joined his Eric. Marc needs to win his cup on his own. He's no LeBron James.

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The Canes are a budget team. Pure hockey decision. Staying in NY is the best decision. Staying in Pitt was the better hockey decision for Jordan. Moving into the new division. Very tough for Carolina.

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Rask is a very good prospect. Not sure of any NHLer who would significantly improve the roster ala Sutter.



I really don't think they move Faulk but maybe....
I feel like McBain could be it. Pitt got a downgrade in the shutdown C position in Sutter. We could get a downgrade in the defense position with McBain.

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I feel like McBain could be it. Pitt got a downgrade in the shutdown C position in Sutter. We could get a downgrade in the defense position with McBain.
McBain was benched this season in Carolina. He better not be the major piece coming back for Staal.

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Wow, a lot of speculation going on, here.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

Staal won't leave NY before he wins a cup, here. Carolina isn't anywhere near ready to compete. He has unfinished business, here, and I will stick to my guns that he stays put.

The other 2 have Cups. Jordan won his cup first, THEN joined his Eric. Marc needs to win his cup on his own. He's no LeBron James.
How is your statement about Marc NOT speculation? Have you spoken to the man directly?

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How is your statement about Marc NOT speculation? Have you spoken to the man directly?
I never said it wasn't. I'm just confused as to why right now, before our playoffs start, are people are talking about a possible trade to Carolina?

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Why does he have to take less money?

Jordan got paid.
Term can only be 7 years whereas Jordan signed under the older CBA terms.

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Term can only be 7 years whereas Jordan signed under the older CBA terms.
Should have mentioned that the Rangers can offer 8 years.

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Staal will be 28 at the end of his current contract. Eight years takes him to 36. He will need to remain healthy over the next 2 years to get 8 years.

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McBain and/or Murphy coming back is a HUGE downgrade to the D when it comes to actually playing defense.

That's depending on Moore or McIlrath to really become something that neither has shown ready to be thus far - a top-4 caliber defenseman in their own zone. Could they become that? Yes, they could. Unless you are confident in MDZs ability to find consistency in the defensive end.

A D of:
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Moore-McBain/Stralman/MDZ
MDZ-Stralman/Murphy/McIlrath

Would result in the top pair continuing to be forced to play close to 30 min a night over 82 games and seemingly entire 3rd periods down the stretch. It would be flashier, it COULD be great in 3 years, but that is a LOT of question marks in the defensive zone.

I don't know how a team expecting to compete for a Cup in the near term could ice that. And that's not even factoring in injuries. McD or G goes down...and ah Hank I hope you like odd man rushes.

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How is your statement about Marc NOT speculation? Have you spoken to the man directly?
Sorry, but Marc Staal was drafted by the Rangers and is still under contract for 2 more years. The speculation is only on the side of those claiming he wants to leave to play with his brothers in 2015-2016.

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Should have mentioned that the Rangers can offer 8 years.
The Canes can give him 8 years as well. 7 year limit only applies when extending offers to a free agent.

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McBain and/or Murphy coming back is a HUGE downgrade to the D when it comes to actually playing defense.

That's depending on Moore or McIlrath to really become something that neither has shown ready to be thus far - a top-4 caliber defenseman in their own zone. Could they become that? Yes, they could. Unless you are confident in MDZs ability to find consistency in the defensive end.

A D of:
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Moore-McBain/Stralman/MDZ
MDZ-Stralman/Murphy/McIlrath

Would result in the top pair continuing to be forced to play close to 30 min a night over 82 games and seemingly entire 3rd periods down the stretch. It would be flashier, it COULD be great in 3 years, but that is a LOT of question marks in the defensive zone.

I don't know how a team expecting to compete for a Cup in the near term could ice that. And that's not even factoring in injuries. McD or G goes down...and ah Hank I hope you like odd man rushes.
MDZ-Girardi
McDonagh-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath/Murphy
Vet #5 d-man (say Douglas Murray)

If McIlrath and Murphy prove not to be ready than let the vet play and sign another depth d-man like Eminger.

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MDZ-Girardi
McDonagh-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath/Murphy
Vet #5 d-man (say Douglas Murray)

If McIlrath and Murphy prove not to be ready than let the vet play and sign another depth d-man like Eminger.
I mean, all that really happened there was splitting up McD and Girardi. I don't have a lot of faith in MDZ or Stralman to consistently deliver in their own end for a Cup contender over 82 games plus playoffs. In spots they both absolutely can. But consistency is a question mark in my view.

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I mean, all that really happened there was splitting up McD and Girardi. I don't have a lot of faith in MDZ or Stralman to consistently deliver in their own end for a Cup contender over 82 games plus playoffs. In spots they both absolutely can. But consistency is a question mark in my view.
This is the way of a capped league though. Both MDZ and Stralman have been in this years top-4 since Staal went down. They were last year as well with Sauer and Staal out. They have proven they can get the job done.

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I worry we are sliding down a slippery slope, the end result of which was already brought up; "we have to accept Carolina's offer or he walks". Which is wrong.
I have also seen arguments that the Rangers are a better team without him, which is just as wrong.

If the Rangers decide to move him, losing Staal would be painful, it should be as painful for Carolina to get him.
Discussion should start with First + Faulk.
We can discuss the + on the either side, but that'd be the parameters of a deal for Staal to Carolina.

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