Both were participating in camp today. Otter certainly did not look like a player recovering from a sports hernia. He was ripping shots at the net from the get go. Philippe showed no signs of an eye issue. Saw and talked with him at a youth tournament over Labor Day weekend and he was getting ready for camp and looking forward to it. He has had several surgeries so maybe he had another touch-up and has been cleared to play or skipped having it done for now. Then again, Heika could have been misinformed.