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PHI 1st (11th Overall) for Young PMD

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05-01-2013, 03:19 PM
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How about just drafting Pulock... he's got a low floor and pretty high upside. All the prospects we could be getting in exchange are more developed (duh, older) but definitely don't have similar upside as someone like Pulock, Zadorov, Nurse, etc. ... all of which could fall. Even Shinkaruk is a great prospect (Couts+Shinkaruk = solid duo).


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That Uncle Randy has lost faith in young Gards.

Pretty hard for me to believe otherwise...just my opinion not stated as fact. I do think he's kind of redundant, and a decent chance he's moved imho. 11th overall seems like pretty fair value imho.

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Clendening and Bickells/Stalbergs rights for Simmonds?

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Clendening and Bickells/Stalbergs rights for Simmonds?
Haha, no.

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I think they'd rather have someone who's NHL ready. Ristolainen/Pulock won't be NHL ready for a couple of years at least. Philadelphia tries to be the never ending contending city.
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#10 Rasmus Ristolainen
Every bit as NHL ready as Jones. Very mature & reliable defender who can do a bit of everything

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05-01-2013, 03:30 PM
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How about just drafting Pulock... he's got a low floor and pretty high upside.
Interesting. I'd almost flip those: I think he's got a fairly high floor because of the contribution he can bring, at minimum, to a 2nd PP unit, but his upside seems lower than most of the other defensive prospects (because of his questionable skating, defensive zone play, etc.)

We may well end up with Pulock--and there's a lot to like about him as as a player and as a person. But I'm not sure he's a value-pick at 11, and I'm not sure that the Flyers wouldn't be better suited to move the pick for a guy with a more well-rounded game and a few more years of development.

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#10 Rasmus Ristolainen
Every bit as NHL ready as Jones. Very mature & reliable defender who can do a bit of everything
Ristolainen might be the best fit out of the non-Jones defensive prospects, but it would take a bit of luck to get him to slip to 11, I think.

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Id give up Couturier and a minor + for Shattenkirk.

Or Id build a deal around our frist round pick for him.

Matt Read
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As you can see Im very high on Shatty. Love him

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^ sorry I cant edit I meant Scott Laughton, not Matt Reas

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I'm not sure if those are accurate assessments of Pulock. Physicality, if anything, would be his weakness. He's smart without the puck, with a calm and mature two-way game. That, on top of his huge offensive upside.

http://thehockeywriters.com/ryan-pul...spect-profile/



I'd rather keep the pick is all, especially if given the chance to get Zadorov, Nurse, Ristolainen, or Pulock. Or even one of the high-end forwards... all fantastic prospects which is a much needed thing for this club.

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How about just drafting Pulock...
stay away from pulock flyers fans. His heart is set on being a leaf!

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I'd do it if we (leafs) intended on moving up.


Something like 11th + 20(range) for Monahan

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Why not draft Ristolainen or Pulock?
Ristolainen wont be there at 11. and 11 is too early for Pulock

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I'm not sure if those are accurate assessments of Pulock. Physicality, if anything, would be his weakness. He's smart without the puck, with a calm and mature two-way game. That, on top of his huge offensive upside.

http://thehockeywriters.com/ryan-pul...spect-profile/



I'd rather keep the pick is all, especially if given the chance to get Zadorov, Nurse, Ristolainen, or Pulock. Or even one of the high-end forwards... all fantastic prospects which is a much needed thing for this club.
If one of the high-end forwards or Nurse/Ristolainen are there, then obviously you don't deal the pick, but I don't think that's likely.

Much more realistic, I think, is the Flyers picking with Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, and Ristolainen off the board--plus one of Shinkaruk, Domi, Zadorov, Pulock, or some other random, off-the-board type.

In that scenario, the Flyers could take BPA, which is likely to either be a project (Zadorov) or a forward that doesn't address a pressing organiational need. I'm fine with that; the team drafts well in the 1st round. But I don't see the harm in seeing whether an organization with an abundance of PMD but a need at forward would want to make the swap, do you?

EDIT: All that said, if the Flyers are as high on Pulock as you are, I'd be fully on board with them taking him at 11. If you believe he's an all-around defenseman with a booming RH shot, then you take him at 11 and don't look back. If you think he's a powerplay specialist who can survive playing 2nd pairing minutes, then you don't. I'm fine leaving it to the experts.

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What about:

To PHI: NYR 1st (CBJ #19 OA) and Savard or Nikitin
To CBJ: PHI 1st (#11 OA) and 2013 4th

Savard appears to be close to NHL ready. Offensive upside with size but still needs to improve skating. Nikitin is a big, mobile guy that gets you out of trouble on the back end with a bomb for a shot (2 PP type guy).

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Funniest one yet.

Simmonds >>>>

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If one of the high-end forwards or Nurse/Ristolainen are there, then obviously you don't deal the pick, but I don't think that's likely.

Much more realistic, I think, is the Flyers picking with Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse, and Ristolainen off the board--plus one of Shinkaruk, Domi, Zadorov, Pulock, or some other random, off-the-board type.

In that scenario, the Flyers could take BPA, which is likely to either be a project (Zadorov) or a forward that doesn't address a pressing organiational need. I'm fine with that; the team drafts well in the 1st round. But I don't see the harm in seeing whether an organization with an abundance of PMD but a need at forward would want to make the swap, do you?

EDIT: All that said, if the Flyers are as high on Pulock as you are, I'd be fully on board with them taking him at 11. If you believe he's an all-around defenseman with a booming RH shot, then you take him at 11 and don't look back. If you think he's a powerplay specialist who can survive playing 2nd pairing minutes, then you don't. I'm fine leaving it to the experts.
Well, in terms of looking for a young PMD, Pulock fits the bill pretty nicely is my point. Might not be NHL ready but he's got some really nice offensive upside. I'd rather wait two or three years for a project that could be a no.1 defender especially when this team isn't a young top-4 PMD away from winning a Cup.

Obviously, it depends what defender would be coming back. I'd take a long look at doing it for Jake Gardiner and it's almost as if Gardiner has become underrated on these boards, probably much like Luke Schenn did. The other mentioned names in here (Wiercioch, Ellis, etc.) it's an easy 'no'.

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Pretty hard for me to believe otherwise...just my opinion not stated as fact. I do think he's kind of redundant, and a decent chance he's moved imho. 11th overall seems like pretty fair value imho.
My previous post detailed why you shouldn't believe that Randy has lost faith... Jake just isn't physically mature enough to be an every day player for a coach who values defense over offense. That's not losing faith, that's Randy sending Gards a message that he needs to be physically stronger if he wants to play every day.

Gards is a great asset. 11th overall will net us another asset that is farther away from being NHL ready and I don't see any big C's (what our farm desperatly needs) projected around that spot that are locks to be top 6 players.

When Gards no longer has issues against larger forwards in the defensive zone, he'll get his chance and he'll stick.

And Reilly definitely doesn't make him redundant. There's no rule stating that you can only have a single PMD in the system. You can never have enough high end talent and Reilly will likely go through the same growing pains Gards is currently going through. I would have no problems with Dion, Jake and Morgan on the left side with shutdown/bruisers on the right 3-4 years from now when Morgan is ready to be an every day player.side

IMHO, Gards for the 11th pick is just a trade for the sake of making a trade.

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Well, in terms of looking for a young PMD, Pulock fits the bill pretty nicely is my point. Might not be NHL ready but he's got some really nice offensive upside. I'd rather wait two or three years for a project that could be a no.1 defender especially when this team isn't a young top-4 PMD away from winning a Cup.
I think you're just a bit higher on Pulock than me--or most. I don't remember many suggesting that he had any sort of realistic #1 upside. For me, it all comes down to his skating; he seems to have the hockey IQ; he's got enough physicality to be effective; he's got the shot. I'm not sure he's really a puck-mover as much as a puck-shooter, but that's not disqualifying. I've suggested elsewhere that I'd prefer him to Zadorov, though I'd still slot him behind Nurse and Ristolainen.

Anyway, I actually think it is very possible that Pulock is the Flyers' choice at 11 (more so than most projections this far out). They love their heart-and-soul guys, and he fills and organizational need.

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I think they'd rather have someone who's NHL ready. Ristolainen/Pulock won't be NHL ready for a couple of years at least. Philadelphia tries to be the never ending contending city.
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Because they're a few years away from making an impact at the NHL level...

From a Leaf's POV, I'd do Gardiner for 11th straight up. It's not that I've lost faith in Gardiner, but I think Carlyle has
Ristolainen could probably play next year, especially for a team like Philly...

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I suspect the Sharks will be looking to potentially trade Braun or Demers this offseason based on our glut of Dmen in the system.

Both would fit the bill of what you're describing - though I don't think they would garner a first round pick. If it was a 1st from Philly, SJ would have to add then. I think Philly's 2nd would get it done for either potentially.

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Gardiner for that pick makes way too much sense from both sides. If i were Nonis i would be doing everything in my power to get into the top 7 of the draft.

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Ristolainen could probably play next year, especially for a team like Philly...
I agree that Ristolainen is near NHL ready, but I'm not sure what you mean by the "especially for a team like Philly."

If everyone is healthy (and not traded), the projected line-up would be something like:

Timonen-L. Schenn
Meszaros-Coburn
Grosmann-Gustafsson
Gervais

Gustafsson would have to clear waivers to go to the AHL. Given his performance down the stretch, and the fact that he's slated to play big minutes over at the World Championships, I think it is unlikely he goes unclaimed.

Obviously, all of this changes if someone gets traded, but the Flyers personnel issues are a bit exaggerated around here. The problem is less the line-up on paper then it is the mismatch between some of the players' skillsets and Laviolette's system.

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If anything, I'm trading up to grab Nurse. No one is available that would entice me to trade the pick rather than just draft a player that has the potential to be as good or better than anyone you're going to be able to get in a trade.

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I agree that Ristolainen is near NHL ready, but I'm not sure what you mean by the "especially for a team like Philly."

If everyone is healthy (and not traded), the projected line-up would be something like:

Timonen-L. Schenn
Meszaros-Coburn
Grosmann-Gustafsson
Gervais

Gustafsson would have to clear waivers to go to the AHL. Given his performance down the stretch, and the fact that he's slated to play big minutes over at the World Championships, I think it is unlikely he goes unclaimed.

Obviously, all of this changes if someone gets traded, but the Flyers personnel issues are a bit exaggerated around here. The problem is less the line-up on paper then it is the mismatch between some of the players' skillsets and Laviolette's system.
Meszaros better not be here next season. He makes too much and his injuries have outweighed his production/reliability. I'm hoping Nurse falls to us at 11 or we trade up and grab him.

Timonen-Schenn
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Ellis+

I'd add Gill, SK, Craig Smith (if you add another pick or something), or another pick/spec.

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