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05-01-2013, 03:54 PM
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Ah, ok. I think I get where you are coming from now. Consensus is that Risto is the most NHL ready d-man behind Jones though. He is a two way d-man which is good in my book. I put Risto 3rd on the list of d-men I hope/wish the Flyers to get from the draft with Zadorov behind him.
Agreed that Risto is probably more NHL ready than Pulock, Nurse or Zadorov, but then again, you do have the switch to the north american game to factor in. At this point in terms of players that could possibly fall to us, my list of hopefuls in order of preference is:

Zadorov
Nichushkin
Nurse
Pulock
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Ristolainen
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05-01-2013, 03:59 PM
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Agreed that Risto is probably more NHL ready than Pulock, Nurse or Zadorov, but then again, you do have the switch to the north american game to factor in. At this point in terms of players that could possibly fall to us, my list of hopefuls in order of preference is:

Zadorov
Nichushkin
Nurse
Pulock
Lindholm
Ristolainen
Monahan
You're higher on Zadorov than most, I think, if you would take him over Nichushkin, Lindholm, and Monahan.

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Zadorov is GOAT

But it's like so

Nichushkin

monahan/lindholm

Nurse/Zadorov/Ristolain

Pulock

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Tier 1: Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin
Tier 2: Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin
Tier 3: Nurse, Ristolainen, Shinkaruk, Zadorov, Pulock
Tier 4: Domi, Erne, etc.

IMO. No real order within the tiers.

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Agreed that Risto is probably more NHL ready than Pulock, Nurse or Zadorov, but then again, you do have the switch to the north american game to factor in. At this point in terms of players that could possibly fall to us, my list of hopefuls in order of preference is:

Zadorov
Nichushkin
Nurse
Pulock
Lindholm
Ristolainen
Monahan
I'm probably one of the few that would prefer Zadorov over Ristolanien and Pulock but I wouldn't take him over Nichushkin, Lindholm, Nurse, or Monahan. I think you're highly overrating him. He's a good player but too much of gamble compared to some of those players.

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Tier 1: Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin
Tier 2: Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin
Tier 3: Nurse, Ristolainen, Shinkaruk, Zadorov, Pulock
Tier 4: Domi, Erne, etc.

IMO. No real order within the tiers.
I would say Nurse is a tweener between 2 and 3. Other than that I agree 100%.

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Tier 1: Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin
Tier 2: Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin
Tier 3: Nurse, Ristolainen, Shinkaruk, Zadorov, Pulock
Tier 4: Domi, Erne, etc.

IMO. No real order within the tiers.
Shenanigans.

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Tier 1: Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin
Tier 2: Barkov, Lindholm, (Nichushkin*), Monahan
Tier 3: Nurse, Ristolainen, Zadorov, Pulock, Shinkaruk, Domi
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^ Haha! Damn. Nice list...

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Jack De La Hoya's tiers are correct

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2012-13: Ristolainen assumed a larger role for TPS in his second SM-Liiga season — skating in 52 games for Turku — and played for Finland at the 2013 World Junior Championship in Ufa. While the season was a disappointment team-wise (TPS missed the playoffs after finishing 13th in the 14-team league), Ristolainen was the team's leading scorer amongst defensemen. He scored 3 goals with 12 assists and was minus-seven with 32 penalty minutes; averaging 21:40 minutes of ice time. In six games for seventh-place Finland at the WJC he scored 2 goals with 4 assists and was plus-five. He joined TPS' U20 team for the league playoffs and scored 2 goals with 1 assist and was minus-five in five games. Ristolainen was ranked third among European skaters in Central Scouting's mid-term rankings prior to the 203 NHL Draft, and fourth in the CSS final rankings.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospec...s-ristolainen/

Right under 22 minutes in a men's league. I don't think it's fair to really look at the +/- since he played on the 2nd worse team in SM-ligga. TPS went 12-28 scoring 144 goals (2nd worse in the league) and 181 against (2nd worse again)

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I got to watch some video on Josh Morrissey tonight from the U-18 tournament and he was FANTASTIC!!!!! I know the Flyers pay close attention to this tournament (that's where they were sold on Scott Laughton) and you couldn't help but notice Morrissey this tournament. He's not the biggest guy (Andrei Markov is a good comparison physically), but damn, what a skater and what a shot. Everyone raves about Pulock, but Morrissey is right up there with him. On top of it, Morrissey has got a bit of a mean streak to him and he can really hit.

I've taken a look at Morrissey's ranking and NHL Central Scouting has him rated the 27th North American skater, ISS has him rated 19th and there's a number of independent groups have him rated as high as 14th. I'd be interested to see what his ranking is after the U18 tournament. I'd love to find out what Flyers scouts think.....

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http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=93427

I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Samuel Morin over Rasmus Ristolainen. Enough said.....

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Craig Button's mock draft is up.

He has us taking Samuel Morin...with our first round pick.

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Well that's interesting. I like Morin but not that much.

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Agreed that Risto is probably more NHL ready than Pulock, Nurse or Zadorov, but then again, you do have the switch to the north american game to factor in. At this point in terms of players that could possibly fall to us, my list of hopefuls in order of preference is:

Zadorov
Nichushkin
Nurse
Pulock
Lindholm
Ristolainen
Monahan
Holy ****!! You put Zadorov above Nurse, Nichushkin, Lindholm, and Monahan??? I am shocked.

I would order that list like this:
Nichushkin
Nurse
Lindholm
Monahan
Ristolainen
Zadorov
Pulock

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05-01-2013, 07:39 PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=93427

I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Samuel Morin over Rasmus Ristolainen. Enough said.....
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Craig Button's mock draft is up.

He has us taking Samuel Morin...with our first round pick.
I don't know about that but his stock has really risen recently. I think it's more likely he goes in the early to mid 20's. he is 6'7" and is almost a yr younger than Risto so I imagine that was taken into consideration. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't take him (though I'm leaning towards not) cause I don't know that much about him but his size is intriguing

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I don't know about that but his stock has really risen recently. I think it's more likely he goes in the early to mid 20's. he is 6'7" and is almost a yr younger than Risto so I imagine that was taken into consideration. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't take him cause I don't know that much about him but his size is intriguing
When you start picking a guy just because he's big, you get Vladimír Mihálik.

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Morin screams 2nd round pick. No way to the Flyers take a shutdown defender (if Im not mistaken, dont know too much about him) with the 11th pick. WAYY to high. Those type of players fall to early 2nd round.

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When you start picking a guy just because he's big, you get Vladimír Mihálik.
Yeah but it's not just cause he's big. He's projected to go in the 1st round (late) for a reason though I admit 11th is a real reach

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When you start picking a guy just because he's big, you get Vladimír Mihálik.
Pros:
-Size
-Physical
-Skating
-Big Shot
-Shutdown Capabilities
-Outlet Passing
Cons:
-Defensive Positioning
-Footwork
-Uncreative Offensively

He had a good game at the CHL Prospects game earlier this year. He would be a good late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder but his scouting report reads like a Luke Schenn clone. If we're drafting a defensemen with the 11th pick we need to go with an offensive minded one.


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Yeah but it's not just cause he's big. He's projected to go in the 1st round (late) for a reason though I admit 11th is a real reach
Mihalik was also a late 1st--so the comparison seemed fair to me.

Anyway, I'm nervous now.

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I think this cinches it for me... I want Zadorov.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/117504

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I think this cinches it for me... I want Zadorov.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/117504
That was a huge hit. He also rebounded nicely in that tilt.

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http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=93427

I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Samuel Morin over Rasmus Ristolainen. Enough said.....
A little risky, but he is one of the younger players in the draft so he might just need some time. I would be okay with it because Nolet would be making the pick. I trust his judgment over any other Flyer scout.

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Am I just blinded by the flashy numbers or could Nic Petan be the next Giroux?? 120 points in the WHL as a 17 year old.

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